Cost of housing in Canada
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So the answer is to spend more on veterans, seniors, and the unhoused to at least match the amounts for refugees, right?
Right?
Also, at risk of bleeding into the Nijjar thread, I took a quick read of his X posts. Is he being paid by the Indian govt? All of his recent posts are how Nijjar was a “terrorist”.
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wrong.
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That explains the cut to our TD budget.
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I think the stats are the average salary required, not the actual cost of housing.
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Are you recommending we send them back to where they came from? I'm just curious on what a viable solution is for any colour of government to deal with this issue.
The stats provided are the average costs, not what they are being given to spend on what they want. Why not go after the contractors as money grabbing leaches for providing what is likely the bare minimum service for those inflated amounts of money.
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Right you are, CL!
Couldn’t help jumping on to Realtor.ca to see what I could invest in nearby during the Great Capital Gains Tax sell off…That said, that’s more than thrice the median income of Joe or Jane Canada, which depending on province, sits between 36,000-42,000 +/-, so median Joe or Jane cannot come close to buying just a lot…of nothing…
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Right...
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City administrators recap submissions at public hearing on rezoning
City of Calgary staff are presenting a 'what we heard' report Thursday morning, recapping the 12-day public hearing on blanket rezoning.
calgaryherald.com
Despite the opposition....
Council approved blanket rezoning — so what happens next?
Calgary city council approved the blanket rezoning proposal, ushering in a new approach to housing and densification for the municipality.
calgaryherald.com
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NO. Just NO.
I am not ready to return to the days of kissing the Abbot's ring to get a better hovel and a larger scoop of gruel.
That is the favour that Henry VIII did us all when he shut down the religious corporations that controlled the wool trade and the guilds.
Dissolution of the monasteries - Wikipedia
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I disagree. So long as people in Toronto control what firearms I can own, I think I should have a say in what homes they can own... Fair is fair after all. Nobody should own a high capacity planet killing home of more than 1500 square feet except the government.City administrators recap submissions at public hearing on rezoning
City of Calgary staff are presenting a 'what we heard' report Thursday morning, recapping the 12-day public hearing on blanket rezoning.
Despite the opposition....
Council approved blanket rezoning — so what happens next?
Calgary city council approved the blanket rezoning proposal, ushering in a new approach to housing and densification for the municipality.
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NO. Just NO.
I am not ready to return to the days of kissing the Abbot's ring to get a better hovel and a larger scoop of gruel.
That is the favour that Henry VIII did us all when he shut down the religious corporations that controlled the wool trade and the guilds.
Dissolution of the monasteries - Wikipedia
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On a more serious note, I think there is a reasonable "regulated" housing market that can be achieved while not preventing those with the means from buying/building whatever they want.
For those who own now and thing they're "set", remember that as the number of people who feel locked out of the "Canadian dream" increases, the likelihood of your dream being taken to help someone else increases rapidly. It's in the self interest of home owners to find a reasonable middle ground between the current market and something sustainable.
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Who guaranteed you a job or a life in the location of your choice?
The CAF sends you to where the jobs are. I relocated on my own hoof to where the jobs were. Sometimes that meant working away from my home. Sometimes that meant finding a new employer. Sometimes it meant moving some very unhappy kids and a less than impressed wife.
There is a lot of space in Canada where you can build a home you can afford. You might even be able to own that property while you rent and work in other locations.
Your cottage can be your permanent home.
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I'm not talking about me.
If your argument for the current market is "find a different place" you will lose. Not today, but give it a few years, when the Gen-Z and younger Millennials locked out of the market start voting in numbers, because they feel left out, things will change in ways you may not like.
The whole, go somewhere where property is affordable line doesn't work in a world where work is concentrated in the cities. Back when you could cut trees, mine, or fish for a reasonable wage that argument had some merit. These days it's as tone deaf as "learn to code"...
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I was wrong to personalize the discussion.
You're not wrong about the effects of the market on the youngsters.
Years ago there was a TV series called Time Team. A bunch of itinerant archaeologists who did three day digs all over Britain. They fascinated me. One site they investigated was an early Arkwright factory. It was a steam driven mill by design but the early Newcomen style engine wasn't as efficient as they hoped so they ended up with a closed circuit water driven mill with the steam pump being used to circulate the water. This was the beginning of the industrial revolution circa 1770 or thereabouts IIRC.
There was a secondary story line. About slums and Karl Marx's commentaries.
The original mill was designed with accommodation for the factory staff. The accommodations were top notch. Separate houses for each worker, with a long enough yard to be able to keep a pig, a few chickens and maintain a garden. The idea was that the place had to be able to attract the best labour from the farms and bring them into the new factories. The early capitalists were utopians.
Fast forward a lifetime, 70 years, to Karl Marx's day and Karl was observing slums.
The Agricultural Revolution meant that there were fewer jobs on farms so there was a surplus of labour for the mills. The mill owners no longer had to compete for labour. Labour was competing for jobs. All of those neat little one family houses were subdivided. The archaeology showed that single family homes became two family homes with a family per home. Then the cellars were rented out. Then the cellars were divided to create two private homes - below grade, with no windows. Where there had been one well off factory worker when the mill opened, 70 years later there were now 8 to 10 mill worker's families living is squalor. The utopians were no more. They were now competing with other mill owners who could undercut them because they didn't have to compete for labour and they were saturating the market place, driving down the price of woolens and everything else that could be manufactured.
Chicken and egg time. Did capitalists create slums or did the workers do it to themselves?
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We are living in cities that are just over 70 years old, counting from the post-WW2 boom. The houses that were built since then had planned lives of about 25 years. That stock of houses, and the lifestyle for which it was designed, as well as the occupants, is fading into the past.
Europe is full of high density slums converted into modern high density cities. Much of Canada was settled by people that were actively escaping those high density communities, modernized or not. They knew what it was like to live with sewage running down the streets due to inadequate infrastructure, too little water, too few doctors, too few jobs and being besieged by outbreaks of disease. They aspired to a job and a home of their own that they could keep clean and raise healthy kids.
It seems a pity to me that it only takes a lifetime to start replicating the cycle that Karl Marx saw.
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People do best when they have their own little patch that they can control to their own satisfaction with their own capital. The Tragedy of the Commons is still a real thing.
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It will solve the problem for some people. If those people adopt that option then it will tend to relieve the pressure on others that can't, or don't want to live that life.
Another solution that I have encountered along the way is people living the gig lifestyle and prospering. In the oil patch I ran into multiple instances of people, in particular plane loads of Newfoundlanders and Quebecers, that headed to the camps in Alberta for a season and sent their money home to support their family in affordable housing in their home provinces. In the 80s I also ran into people from Lethbridge that commuted to oil rigs in the North Sea for two or three week shifts before returning home for two or three weeks.
In the Bering Sea fishery the factory hands, along with the ship's officers, got crew share. The more they caught and the better the quality them more they took home after 4 to 6 months at sea. The same applied to shore camps in the Aleutians and around Bristol Bay. I knew Americans that commuted from Montana where they maintained their primary residence (and called it a tree farm for tax purposes) and others that lived with their Phillipina wives in the Phillipines.
Remote work can take all sorts of forms.
Not all solutions suit everybody, but there again, they don't have to.
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After 1997, there was a term in HK Chinese called “Astronaut”, where the family would live in Canada while the (usually) father would return to work in HK or Mainland China, like an extended IR.
I’m not sure how prevalent that is anymore.
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I graduated from Guelph in 1978. One of the girls in my residence commuted from her New Territories cook and chauffeur to her residence half a dozen times a semester.
Anything is possible if cash.
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