9 out of 10 Jobs created in Canada in 2020-2021 were in the Public Sector

[OldSolduer]

In the civilian world non public Sector employees get a limited amount of sick time.
Don’t work and you don’t get paid

If I may flesh this out:

IF you get sick time benefits in the private sector I am willing to bet that they are not as generous and are very limited - maybe amounting to a few days.

I work in the Public Service and the abuse I see with "sick" time would get someone canned in the private sector. It really isn't that many but it is concerning.

Not only that but more than one has abused sick time their whole career and when they really needed it - it was gone.

 

[daftandbarmy]

If I may flesh this out:

IF you get sick time benefits in the private sector I am willing to bet that they are not as generous and are very limited - maybe amounting to a few days.

I work in the Public Service and the abuse I see with "sick" time would get someone canned in the private sector. It really isn't that many but it is concerning.

Not only that but more than one has abused sick time their whole career and when they really needed it - it was gone.

Private sector sick time is pretty generous these days, and many line up with equivalent public sector workplaces.

Where there is poor leadership, whether private or public, you'll get people abusing the system though.

 

[GR66]

Private sector sick time is pretty generous these days, and many line up with equivalent public sector workplaces.

Where there is poor leadership, whether private or public, you'll get people abusing the system though.

I'd love to see some stats on that but in the 40 years of my working life the 3.5 years I spent at DND is the only time I've had paid sick leave at work.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Days per year might fall within a narrow range, but I'd be surprised if accumulation is permitted in more than a few private enterprises, and even more surprised if it were paid out on retirement.

 

[Remius]

Days per year might fall within a narrow range, but I'd be surprised if accumulation is permitted in more than a few private enterprises, and even more surprised if it were paid out on retirement.

Is there anywhere that sick leave is still paid out?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Is there anywhere that sick leave is still paid out?

BC...

Paid sick leave​

You can take up to 5 days of paid leave per year for any personal illness or injury. Your employer may request reasonably sufficient proof of illness.

This entitlement is in addition to the 3 days of unpaid sick leave currently provided by the Employment Standards Act.

You must have worked with your employer for at least 90 days to be eligible for the paid sick days.

Paid sick leave

The vast majority of workers in B.C. no longer have to choose between going to work sick or losing wages, as B.C.'s first-ever permanent paid sick leave comes into effect with 5 paid sick days each year. Both full- and part-time employees are eligible for this benefit.

www2.gov.bc.ca

 

[Furniture]

BC...

​

Paid sick leave​

You can take up to 5 days of paid leave per year for any personal illness or injury. Your employer may request reasonably sufficient proof of illness.

This entitlement is in addition to the 3 days of unpaid sick leave currently provided by the Employment Standards Act.

You must have worked with your employer for at least 90 days to be eligible for the paid sick days.

Paid sick leave

The vast majority of workers in B.C. no longer have to choose between going to work sick or losing wages, as B.C.'s first-ever permanent paid sick leave comes into effect with 5 paid sick days each year. Both full- and part-time employees are eligible for this benefit.

www2.gov.bc.ca

I think he was referring to months/years of accumulated sick leave. At one time it was paid out to PS staff when they retired. That is no longer the case, so when you retire with 2K days of sick leave accumulated these days, those days just disappear.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I think he was referring to months/years of accumulated sick leave. At one time it was paid out to PS staff when they retired. That is no longer the case, so when you retire with 2K days of sick leave accumulated these days, those days just disappear.

As an employer, may I just say: good

 

[Furniture]

As an employer, may I just say: good

100%

Like accumulated leave in the CAF, it was just a system for people to game to the detriment of the employer.

 

[Remius]

I think he was referring to months/years of accumulated sick leave. At one time it was paid out to PS staff when they retired. That is no longer the case, so when you retire with 2K days of sick leave accumulated these days, those days just disappear.

Correct. And pretty sure that went away quite some time ago. At least in the federal public sector. I can’t speak to provincial or municipal though.

 

[OldSolduer]

Correct. And pretty sure that went away quite some time ago. At least in the federal public sector. I can’t speak to provincial or municipal though.

In our system in Mb if you retire with sick days on the books those days ARE NOT paid out.

What many do is deplete the sick time bank til its zero THEN retire.

 

[Remius]

Some try that here too but they get referred for health Canada assessments. Strange how they suddenly feel way better when that is presented to them…

 

[YZT580]

I think he was referring to months/years of accumulated sick leave. At one time it was paid out to PS staff when they retired. That is no longer the case, so when you retire with 2K days of sick leave accumulated these days, those days just disappear.

as those whose children have supply teachers 12 days or more a year can attest, contracts provide no incentives to people to not call in sick. When accumulating days was permitted those sick days meant retirement six months or so earlier which was a much better bonus than the odd day off for a ball game so there are pluses and minuses to the policy

 

[mariomike]

And pretty sure that went away quite some time ago. At least in the federal public sector. I can’t speak to provincial or municipal though.

Sick Bank Gratuity was negotiated after the war.

18 days each year. Unused days were banked.

The "bank" paid a nine-month "gratuity" when I retired.

Used up the remainder.

Members hired after July 31, 2009 are on something called, "Illness or Injury Plan (IIP)".

 

[Halifax Tar]

as those whose children have supply teachers 12 days or more a year can attest, contracts provide no incentives to people to not call in sick. When accumulating days was permitted those sick days meant retirement six months or so earlier which was a much better bonus than the odd day off for a ball game so there are pluses and minuses to the policy

It always amazes me how teachers know they are going to be sick a day ahead of time.

My wife is VP. He phone seems to go off constantly with requests to book subs.

 

[OldSolduer]

Some try that here too but they get referred for health Canada assessments. Strange how they suddenly feel way better when that is presented to them…

We had one staff claim their shoulder was no good and had to have light duties - until their number came up to be put on shift then they got better very quickly.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Even better? You don't have to argue with robots about working from home/ office
https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/ins...tomation-and-generative-ai-in-government.html

Generative AI and Government Work: an in depth analysis of 19,000 tasks

Deloitte's analysis reveals three criteria that can help determine which tasks could be assigned to generative AI tools and when government occupations could feel pressure to adopt them


We are awash in examples of what generative artificial intelligence can produce: near-human-quality text, images, and even video. Yet, there’s less evidence of how generative AI will impact how work is done. A lack of detail is especially challenging for government, where a broad range of agencies perform a wide variety of tasks, and those differences really matter when it comes to AI. For government leaders, this can lead to uncertainty that stalls adoption of generative AI and even other automation tools that could otherwise have benefitted the public.

To help cut through that uncertainty and get the broadest-possible perspective on how and where generative AI can impact government work, we examined more than 19,000 tasks collected by the US Department of Labor to represent the wider US workforce.1 By analyzing how much accuracy, creative difficulty, and context variability (how much a task changes in different scenarios) are needed to accomplish each task, we were able to assess which tasks could be amenable to which types of automation.

We identified three categorizations that can help government leaders make informed, strategic decisions about how to implement generative AI in their organizations.

1. Tasks with moderately high creative difficulty, moderate context variability, and moderate accuracy could be good candidates for gen AI. Take for example, a task like recording regulatory compliance.
2. Tasks with high accuracy and low context variability (like data entry) are likely good for other forms of automation, ranging from robotic process automation to physical robots to other forms of machine learning.
3. Finally, humans still outperform AI at dealing with tasks that have high context variability, especially tasks that have a high social aspect (like coaching workers) or a physical component (like maintaining vehicles).

Generative AI and government work: An in-depth analysis of 19,000 tasks

Deloitte's analysis reveals three criteria that can help determine which tasks could be assigned to generative AI tools, and when government occupations could feel pressure to adopt them

www2.deloitte.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Glass half full: they're really good at recruiting!

Under Trudeau, the civil service has grown twice as fast as Canada’s population​

The size of the civil service has exploded during the Trudeau Liberals’ nine years in power: growing more than 43 per cent, even though the country’s population has grown by less than 15 per cent in the same period.

As of March 31, the federal government’s payroll included 367,772 persons, according to data just published by the federal Treasury Board. On March 31, 2015, the last full fiscal year that the Harper Conservatives were in power, the civil service population was 257,034. That’s an average annual growth rate of more than 3.6 per cent per year or double Canada’s average annual population growth in the same period of about 1.6 per cent.

The civil service grew by more than six per cent in both 2021 and 2023. By comparison, the size of the civil service shrank in each of the last five years the Harper Conservatives were in power.

Under Trudeau, the civil service has grown twice as fast as Canada’s population - National | Globalnews.ca

More than 110,000 people have been added to the federal payroll since 2015 when Justin Trudeau became prime minister - a 43 per cent increase.

globalnews.ca

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I think he was referring to months/years of accumulated sick leave. At one time it was paid out to PS staff when they retired. That is no longer the case, so when you retire with 2K days of sick leave accumulated these days, those days just disappear.

I had accumulated 6 months of sick leave when I retired, I saw it as insurance if I got got really sick with some sort of chronic disease. It disappeared when I retired, and I was happy to have the option and would never expect it to be paid out.

 

[Kirkhill]

Glass half full: they're really good at recruiting!

Under Trudeau, the civil service has grown twice as fast as Canada’s population​

The size of the civil service has exploded during the Trudeau Liberals’ nine years in power: growing more than 43 per cent, even though the country’s population has grown by less than 15 per cent in the same period.

As of March 31, the federal government’s payroll included 367,772 persons, according to data just published by the federal Treasury Board. On March 31, 2015, the last full fiscal year that the Harper Conservatives were in power, the civil service population was 257,034. That’s an average annual growth rate of more than 3.6 per cent per year or double Canada’s average annual population growth in the same period of about 1.6 per cent.

The civil service grew by more than six per cent in both 2021 and 2023. By comparison, the size of the civil service shrank in each of the last five years the Harper Conservatives were in power.

Under Trudeau, the civil service has grown twice as fast as Canada’s population - National | Globalnews.ca

More than 110,000 people have been added to the federal payroll since 2015 when Justin Trudeau became prime minister - a 43 per cent increase.

globalnews.ca

Federal government hired more than 10,000 new public servants last year to reach record high

The size of Canada's public service has ballooned by 42 per cent since the 2015 election of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

nationalpost.com

110,000 civil servants vetted and hired since 2015.
10,000 civil servants vetted and hired in 2023

CF short 16,000 uniformed civil servants
PSPC short enough civil servants to spend available, voted, CF funds.

Bullshyte.