Are desert camo uniforms prohibited to be worn by soldiers not deployed?

[DannyITR]

I understand the military only issues them to soldiers being deployed. I'm wondering if any could have been issued to soldiers that may only have briefly visited Afghanistan for whatever reason or have been issued them and have not been to Afghanistan at all. Is there an unwritten rule about this that wearing the arid region camo means you've been deployed? I searched.

 

[davidk]

Generally speaking, if you're in Canada, you don't need CADPAT AR, and as a consequence, you aren't issued it.

Not everyone that has a set of it has been on deployment, however: I personally know about 8 people who fit that category.

Edited to add: I'm pretty sure that it's not approved for wear in Canada, but I could be wrong.

 

[Donut]

CadPat AR is to be returned within 90 days of return to Canada.  Some soldiers retain them for PR presentations etc, but that's on a case by case basis.

 

[BigRudy]

Our chain allowed us to wear our arid stuff in the days leading up to deployment, as a result of a lot of guys having either shipped the bulk of their green stuff with UAB, or putting it in storage while they were away.

 

[deej96]

You could always buy CADPAT AR at places like cpgear.  I don't know if that is legit, but if you have this need for wearing it...

 

[Loachman]

You could always buy CADPAT AR at places like cpgear.  I don't know if that is legit, but if you have this need for wearing it...

Even if it was the real thing, which it isn't, it still would not be authorized for wear unless deployed or immediately about to be deployed to an appropriate location.

 

[Sig_Des]

I understand the military only issues them to soldiers being deployed. I'm wondering if any could have been issued to soldiers that may only have briefly visited Afghanistan for whatever reason or have been issued them and have not been to Afghanistan at all. Is there an unwritten rule about this that wearing the arid region camo means you've been deployed? I searched.

Just out of curiosity, why do you want to know?

I know some people that have gone to work on joint/exercises or training with the Americans in the Mojave dessert have been issued AR. Same Tech specialists who are on short notice to deploy overseas on TAVs hold some of the basic AR kit as well.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Our chain allowed us to wear our arid stuff in the days leading up to deployment, as a result of a lot of guys having either shipped the bulk of their green stuff with UAB, or putting it in storage while they were away.

Why are we still wasting UAB space with something that has no use or reason to be worn in theatre?
If the uniform of the theatre is AR, why are units making guys take TW. Taking up valuable space and resources?

I went on Roto 0. The RCR made us wear our TW for the tour. I had all my AR in bags, in my barracks box, which we were made to take but not allowed to wear. Turned into stores for the next Roto, that said  "This is stupid, issue it out and wear it". On top of all the other stuff (winter gear) they made us take, and we never used.

'Never pass a fault'...............so long as it makes us look good in pictures, operational results be damned.

 

[DannyITR]

Just out of curiosity, why do you want to know?

I know some people that have gone to work on joint/exercises or training with the Americans in the Mojave dessert have been issued AR. Same Tech specialists who are on short notice to deploy overseas on TAVs hold some of the basic AR kit as well.

I saw some pics of my buddies who just got back form a-stan all clad in their AR and I wanted it lol. It makes sense though to have everyone wearing the same color in Canada and also not to waste money on equipping everyone with AR when they don't need it. How often do the CF organize excersizes with the Americans in the desert.

 

[medaid]

I saw some pics of my buddies who just got back form a-stan all clad in their AR and I wanted it lol.

That's not a very good reason to want AR kit IMHO. Go do a tour and you'll get issued AR kit.

Guy who wear tan also wear AR kit in Canada.

 

[BinRat55]

I saw some pics of my buddies who just got back form a-stan all clad in their AR and I wanted it lol.

??? D'oh!!  Don't even know where to begin there.  I've issued AR here in Canada and in A-Stan.  We wear the boots 3 weeks prior to deployment as a "break in" period, but AR is not authorized for wear - or even for issue - unless you actually walk the ground.

 

[1feral1]

I saw some pics of my buddies who just got back form a-stan all clad in their AR and I wanted it lol. It makes sense though to have everyone wearing the same color in Canada and also not to waste money on equipping everyone with AR when they don't need it. How often do the CF organize excersizes with the Americans in the desert.

Seriously, you obviously have nil military experience (not thats there is anything wrong with that), but do you have some type of AR LCF fettish or something?

Whats a few ex's in the US desert got to do with things?

One colour for all of Canada? Different environments means different types. Makes sense to me. You do not.

If you are not authorised to wear such, you don't. Makes sense to me.

What part of NO do you not understand?

 

[211RadOp]

I'm sure I saw something else about this, but this is all I could find.

IAW CFG 016/05 dated 261806Z Jan 05 para 11b "DESERT COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT ALLOWS SOLDIERS TO PERFORM MISSION ESSENTIAL TASKS BY PROVIDING ENHANCED CAMOUFLAGE AND CONCEALMENT CAPABILITIES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO AFFORD PROTECTION IN ARID REGIONS. DESERT COMBAT CLOTHING AND EQUIPMENT WILL BE ISSUED AS REQUIRED IN SUPPORT OF OPERATIONS. STOCKS ARE PRESENTLY LIMITED AND AS SUCH DESERT ITEMS ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR GENERAL ISSUE NOR AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITHIN CANADA." (emphasis mine)

I do know, however, that members of my unit that are deploying do where the AR on the day they are flying if they are on a service flight.

 

[DannyITR]

That's not a very good reason to want AR kit IMHO. Go do a tour and you'll get issued AR kit.

Guy who wear tan also wear AR kit in Canada.

My apologies. What, in your expert opinion, would constitute a valid reason for wanting the kit other than being deployed of course.

 

[medaid]

My apologies. What, in your expert opinion, would constitute a valid reason for wanting the kit other than being deployed of course.

None.

 

[DannyITR]

Seriously, you obviously have nil military experience (not thats there is anything wrong with that), but do you have some type of AR LCF fettish or something?

Wow Wesley I'm not sure where to begin with you. I'll set the record straight that I do have over a year military experience. You've also equated me saying that I like AR kit to me having a fetish for AR kit. I expressed admiration for my boot camp buddy and his uniform who just made it back from a-stan. I'm not sure how you made that correlation but please explain.

Whats a few ex's in the US desert got to do with things?

Apparently you didn't read the thread. It was mentioned that some were issued AR for said exercises.

One colour for all of Canada? Different environments means different types. Makes sense to me. You do not.

The first you are taught in the military is keep the same standard. Makes sense to me, you do not.

If you are not authorised to wear such, you don't. Makes sense to me.

This was never a topic of discussion. Why are you inventing things. Nobody has advocated wearing un-authorized kit. An explanation of the rules was asked for.

What part of NO do you not understand?

Not only are you inventing things but you appear to becoming hostile for no reason whatsoever. I pray you are not in any leadership role in the CF if this is how you talk to people. Seriously some attitudes on this forum leave something to be desired. A guys admires AR kit and he gets flamed to hell. I was taught in BMQ that you should always have a LCF factor in what you are doing. The "look cool factor" raises troop morale. This was coming from the strictest and most hard-assed corporal we had. While it may seem stupid at first, if you don't enjoy what your doing then you will have problems down the road.

So please, the next time someone says he likes something it may not be the best response to jump down their throat.

 

[DannyITR]

None.

So it is not ok to want something if you do not need it. I hope for the army's sake that you as well are not in any leadership position.

 

[medaid]

So it is not ok to want something if you do not need it. I hope for the army's sake that you as well are not in any leadership position.

Oh... ho ho ho... nice one. I won't feed your trollness.

 

[DirtyDog]

Wanting to wear AR CADPAT to "look cool" is not a good reason.

As far as exs in the US desert..... from time to time.  Clear enough?

Op Boldquest and Op Southern Bear (currently running) are two examples from the last 6 or so months.

 

[muskrat89]

Anyway, the original question has been answered. Locked, with the usual stipulations.

Army.ca Staff

I was taught in BMQ that you should always have a LCF factor in what you are doing. The "look cool factor" raises troop morale.

Apparently, things have changed since I stood at the front of a classroom....  ???