Attempted assassination of Donald Trump 13 July 2024

[TacticalTea]

Rundown of events by Matt Walsh, starting at minute 10.

At this point, there can be no conclusion other than monumental, historic and broad incompetence, or willful malfeasance.

It is obvious no one thought the shooter was a LEO. He was an identified Person of Interest. Had been for an hour prior to the shooting, well in advance of Trump's appearance. Observed, reported and photographed multiple times.

USSS Director has no answers for the very simple and obvious questions by Rep. Boebert:

No information she says, more than a week after the shooting.

 

[dimsum]

Rundown of events by Matt Walsh, starting at minute 10.

At this point, there can be no conclusion other than monumental, historic and broad incompetence, or willful malfeasance.

It is obvious no one thought the shooter was a LEO. He was an identified Person of Interest. Had been for an hour prior to the shooting, well in advance of Trump's appearance. Observed, reported and photographed multiple times.

USSS Director has no answers for the very simple and obvious questions by Rep. Boebert:

No information she says, more than a week after the shooting.

Not sure about you guys but the videos say they’re unavailable.

 

[Remius]

Looks like the USSS director has resigned.

 

[brihard]

Looks like the USSS director has resigned.

Faster than I thought, but not surprising.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Looks like the USSS director has resigned.

Not surprising, after her incredibly poor performance before the committee..
Mind you she did manage to do one thing , she managed to unite both Democrat's and Republicans all of whom were calling for her head.
Not too many people can say that....

 

[TacticalTea]

Not sure about you guys but the videos say they’re unavailable.

Rep Boebert v Dir Cheatle (admittedly a bit of theater, and Boebert's usual... sassiness... but good and simple basic questions nonetheless):

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Matt Walsh run-down:

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[The Bread Guy]

Rep Boebert v Dir Cheatle (admittedly a bit of theater, and Boebert's usual... sassiness... but good and simple basic questions nonetheless):

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Matt Walsh run-down:

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Try here?

 

[KevinB]

Resigned Secret Service Director Resigns Amid Anger Over Trump Shooting — The Wall Street Journal

 

[The Bread Guy]

.... Matt Walsh run-down:

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Maybe now?

 

[Blackadder1916]

Not sure about you guys but the videos say they’re unavailable.

I seem to be late with providing additional links to the videos, but anyway . . .

I didn't know who "Matt Walsh" was so had to google him. My original thought had been that the videos were either the complete, or excerpts of, the HOAC session with the USSS Director but as Walsh is not an official, I couldn't be bothered to find what that was about. However, Boebert is, unfortunately, a known quantity. Director Cheatle's appearance at HOAC is available at C-SPAN's youtube channel and Boeberts's questions start at this point.

As Tactical Tea pointed out, a bit of political theatre. I had started watching the committee meeting live on C-SPAN (actually not really live, the questioning had already begun, so I was about 45 minutes behind) and after going through most of the more senior members (Boebert is relatively low on the totem pole - there's nearly 50 congresspersons on the HOAC, that's why the committee seats were mostly empty by the time she got to ask questions) the questions (and answers from Dir Cheatle - such as they were) started to be repetitious. I gave up at that point. On going back to listen to Boebert, it didn't appear that she raised any new points, other than to have something to put out showing her questioning Cheatle.

The video overall is an interesting watch and the experience for Cheatle was obviously unpleasant. I couldn't help but think if these media assets had been available back during the US political assassinations of the 1960s or during Watergate, would the investigations into those events have been as relatively bipartisan as they were, or would they have been as nasty as it is now.

 

[TacticalTea]

I seem to be late with providing additional links to the videos, but anyway . . .

I didn't know who "Matt Walsh" was so had to google him. My original thought had been that the videos were either the complete, or excerpts of, the HOAC session with the USSS Director but as Walsh is not an official, I couldn't be bothered to find what that was about. However, Boebert is, unfortunately, a known quantity. Director Cheatle's appearance at HOAC is available at C-SPAN's youtube channel and Boeberts's questions start at this point.

As Tactical Tea pointed out, a bit of political theatre. I had started watching the committee meeting live on C-SPAN (actually not really live, the questioning had already begun, so I was about 45 minutes behind) and after going through most of the more senior members (Boebert is relatively low on the totem pole - there's nearly 50 congresspersons on the HOAC, that's why the committee seats were mostly empty by the time she got to ask questions) the questions (and answers from Dir Cheatle - such as they were) started to be repetitious. I gave up at that point. On going back to listen to Boebert, it didn't appear that she raised any new points, other than to have something to put out showing her questioning Cheatle.

The video overall is an interesting watch and the experience for Cheatle was obviously unpleasant. I couldn't help but think if these media assets had been available back during the US political assassinations of the 1960s or during Watergate, would the investigations into those events have been as relatively bipartisan as they were, or would they have been as nasty as it is now.

It's comparatively nasty now because no one was calling JFK "literally Hitler" or "a threat to American democracy" then.

It's worth it to listen to the Matt Walsh video from minute 10 up to a few minutes (until he gets done with that segment) to get a good idea of the timeline of events wrt the shooter.

 

[jackamela]

I guess the USSS didn't do their job, after all...

 

[Blackadder1916]

It's comparatively nasty now because no one was calling JFK "literally Hitler" or "a threat to American democracy" then.

It's worth it to listen to the Matt Walsh video from minute 10 up to a few minutes (until he gets done with that segment) to get a good idea of the timeline of events wrt the shooter.

At the likelihood of being accused of tying onions to my belt, I ask "the question" of my generation; "where were you when you heard that JFK had been shot?" I still vividly remember the exact moment and exact place (I could show you to the foot on google maps). While we in Canada were somewhat removed from the nastiness of US politics of the time, it was still evident to observers. The dividing lines may have been different, the issues may have been different, but the players were still as fervent as they are today. What may be different is that not as many idiots made it to the top of the heaps back then and most of them (the non-idiots) probably had a greater sense of national unity when it mattered. They were also, probably, more likely to follow a personal code of civility.

 

[QV]

I doubt much has changed. Only now with internet and social media you get to see how the sausage is made.

 

[OldSolduer]

Resigned Secret Service Director Resigns Amid Anger Over Trump Shooting — The Wall Street Journal

If every director of (name ANY agency) had to resign over a fuck up of a lower level individual then there would be a steady stream of resignations.

 

[Booter]

Faster than I thought, but not surprising.

Appropriate. But she just who was currently holding the keys currently- I guarantee a lot of people are thinking of their own ops these last few years and thinking how lucky they were.

 

[KevinB]

I guess the USSS didn't do their job, after all...

Because no one gets thrown under the bus for political expediency right?

Protecting a public figure, especially a public political figure is a rotten job to have - as there need to be a balance of security and availability. Previous attempts by the USSS at expanding the "bubble" have been rejected by their principals, but it is also a limitation of the personnel they have available.

Hindsight shows that the SOD assets chopped over to the Trump detail should have (at least one of the CS teams) been able to conduct a proper advance. Arriving X days before the event and being able to arrange the bleachers etc to limit the ability of potential sniper getting a good field of fire.

Given you overwhelming knowledge of the situation, and protective operations - please explain to us, exactly how you would go around protecting people like Fmr President Trump.



Secondly - the Iran thing, that's not new, that has been an ongoing thing since he arranged to have Soleimani wiped out on the BIAP runway.

 

[jackamela]

Because no one gets thrown under the bus for political expediency right?

Protecting a public figure, especially a public political figure is a rotten job to have - as there need to be a balance of security and availability. Previous attempts by the USSS at expanding the "bubble" have been rejected by their principals, but it is also a limitation of the personnel they have available.

Hindsight shows that the SOD assets chopped over to the Trump detail should have (at least one of the CS teams) been able to conduct a proper advance. Arriving X days before the event and being able to arrange the bleachers etc to limit the ability of potential sniper getting a good field of fire.

Given you overwhelming knowledge of the situation, and protective operations - please explain to us, exactly how you would go around protecting people like Fmr President Trump.



Secondly - the Iran thing, that's not new, that has been an ongoing thing since he arranged to have Soleimani wiped out on the BIAP runway.

I didn't say I have overwhelming knowledge, or any specialist knowledge, of USSS security operations.

Then again it requires little more than basic common sense to conclude that, yes, the roof from which the former President was shot certainly seemed like an obvious vulnerability and that the Director of the USSS saying, at first, that it had not been occupied because of the mild slope of the roof and then changing that story for several other equally implausible explanations seemed to suggest widespread failures had in fact occurred.

It was surprising to me that some folks, including on here, who do have specialist knowledge didn't see it that way.

In the end, it's just a difference of opinion. Not worth falling out over or losing too much time on.

 

[suffolkowner]

I didn't say I have overwhelming knowledge, or any specialist knowledge, of USSS security operations.

Then again it requires little more than basic common sense to conclude that, yes, the roof from which the former President was shot certainly seemed like an obvious vulnerability and that the Director of the USSS saying, at first, that it had not been occupied because of the mild slope of the roof and then changing that story for several other equally implausible explanations seemed to suggest widespread failures had in fact occurred.

It was surprising to me that some folks, including on here, who do have specialist knowledge didn't see it that way.

In the end, it's just a difference of opinion. Not worth falling out over or losing too much time on.

I havent heard a definitive answer with respect to securing that building yet.

 

[jackamela]

I havent heard a definitive answer with respect to securing that building yet.

As I've gently indicated above, I'm pretty much done with the thread.

What I will say to you is that I don't see your point here.

It is - as I've said more than once - not my specific area of expertise. You seem to think that that fact should preclude my noticing the alarming fact that it also doesn't appear to be a particular strength of the former Director of the USSS either.

If no one who wasn't also in that business was allowed to notice that she was - at best - incompetent, then she would very likely still be in a job today and still endangering the proper functioning of democracy in the USA.