CAF Specialist Pay [Spec Pay]- All Trades [MERGED]

[medicineman]

Correct - so the guys that get hired back in uniform off the PRL are actually paid as general service WO's, even if they were 00334-2's in the Reg Force, the MOSID doesn't exist in the PRes.  Hence the reason I'm seesawing back and forth about cuttling loose just yet...

MM

 

[Blackadder1916]

This may answer some of the questions about spec pay for reservists.

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/je-ee/faq/index-eng.asp

Reserve Force Jobs

I used to be in the Reg F and my occupation received Spec pay. Now I am in the Res F why don’t I get Spec pay, I still hold the same qualifications?

There are two sides to the answer to this question. First, as mentioned earlier, the CF does not pay members based on individual qualifications, but on the requirements of the occupation. Although similar to those in the Reg F, Res F occupation requirements are not always exactly the same and therefore may not evaluate at the Specialist Pay Trade Group. Second, in order for an occupation to receive Specialist pay, it must have scored in the Specialist pay range, and, it must be assigned to the Specialist Pay Trade Group by the CDS. In order for this to occur, the Branch Advisor or Managing Authority must have submitted it for evaluation. There are only seven Reserve occupations that have successfully undergone the process and been assigned to a Specialist Pay Trade Group.

And about being occupationally qualified for spec pay generally.
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/ps/je-ee/ove-ape/index-eng.asp

Occupationally Qualified

Until recently, technological limitations in the CF pay system did not allow a means of differentiating between “occupation qualified” IAW occupation specifications and “non-occupation-qualified” members for the purposes of pay. Therefore, if you became a Cpl in an occupation that was assigned to a Specialist Pay Trade Group you were paid Spec pay, whether you were qualified to do the job or not. The administration of Specialist Pay was challenged in the 2003 Chief of Review Services Report on the basis that personnel who were not qualified were in receipt of Specialist pay. Consequently, changes to the CF pay system , and the introduction of the Occupation Structure Implementation Plan (OSIP) in Aug 04, have now afforded us the opportunity to rectify this situation in ensuring that Specialist Pay is administered appropriately. As of 1 Aug 04, if you are not qualified to do the job in accordance with the occupation requirements and specifications provided by your branch’s Managing Authority, then you are not be entitled to receive Specialist Pay.

 

[ModlrMike]

That answers the question then. I only asked because I knew someone would eventually.

 

[Medtech711]

I know the topic has been beaten like dead horse. Med tech are getting spec pay lvl 1 sometime but is going to be back pay to to 1 Apr or starting as soon as we get the 50 % done. 

 

[Armymedic]

You asking or telling?

 

[MedTechStudent]

I know the topic has been beaten like dead horse. Med tech are getting spec pay lvl 1 sometime but is going to be back pay to to 1 Apr or starting as soon as we get the 50 % done. 

I've heard its "coming down the tube" for about a year and a half now.  I'll believe it when my cheque comes in. 

 

[Medtech711]

SFB I just asking and wondering because you hear so much from the rumor mill. Like hearing from horse mouth

AS qouted by Med BR CWO
Subject:  Spec Pay Udate - Mise a jour paye du spécialiste

BILINGUAL TEXT / TEXTE BILINGUE

Good day all,

During my visits to the various H Svcs units over the past year, I have often mentioned to the troops the submission for Specialist pay for the Med Tech 00334-1 MOS ID. Since the original submission early 2009 there have been some very positive developments with the submission, and I would like to provide you with an update on this issue.

Director Pay Policy Development (DPPD) recently advised Director Health Services Personnel ( D H Svcs Pers) that the evaluation of our submission has resulted in the determination that the Med Tech 00334-1 occupation has met the criteria for Specialist Pay level 1. However there is a caveat to this decision and the actual implementation of Specialist Pay for our folks. Since the submission for Spec pay included the AEC component of the QL5A course, DPPD has indicated that Spec Pay will only be implemented once we have attained the point of having 50% of our QL5 Med Techs qualified with the AEC component. This is certainly a great motivating factor for us to place a high priority on course loading for the AEC component.

We will hopefully meet the target of having 50% of our Med Techs qualified AEC by sometime late in 2010. This is a very positive development and I feel that it is a confirmation of the high level of training provided to our Med Techs and their continuing devotion to professional development and the provision of high quality health care to CF members.

 

[PMedMoe]

So I'm guessing that you will only receive Spec pay after being QL5 and AEC qualified?

I see no reference to "back pay to 1 Apr", though.

 

[Armymedic]

Moe,
Dont work that way...Spec pay is all or nothing, by trade/rank, cant pick out peoples despite what the rumours say.

M711,
once the trade is 50%+ then they can resubmit to Treasury Board for approval. Dont expect anything before Apr 1, 2011.

 

[aesop081]

Dont work that way

It most certainly does. My trade is a perfect example of that.

 

[PMedMoe]

Moe,
Dont work that way...Spec pay is all or nothing, by trade/rank, cant pick out peoples despite what the rumours say.

I agree with CDN Aviator.  It most certainly does.  My trade is also a perfect example.  QL6 and Sgt rank are both required prior to receiving Spec Pay. 

If you're going to base someone receiving Spec Pay on a qualification, why should they get Spec Pay if they don't have that qualification?

Don't even get me started on trades where it's rank only.......  :

 

[Armymedic]

My bad...not specific enough. Of course, I know of a Med Tech WO who is not getting spec pay because he is not 732.

What I meant was that the AEC is a civilian qual...Spec pay to medics will be to Cpl QL 5 qualified, they can't pick out those who are or not, hence why they need 50%+ QL 5 Cpls to be AEC for them to resubmit to the TB.

Thats the way it was explained to me. Assume my source wasnt talking out of thier ass, me believing them completely.

But regardless...I will get spec pay in a couple months. And thats all that really counts...    :nana:

 

[PMedMoe]

But regardless...I will get spec pay in a couple months. And thats all that really counts...

And I've been getting it for 3 years.  :nana:

BTW, does your computer not have apostrophes? 

 

[armyvern]

Like hearing from horse mouth

...

You might want to edit your original; I'm sure that the Horse's Mouth is just going to love receiving spam emails and unsolicited phone calls from gawd-knows-who because you've unilaterally decided to post his full name, phone number, email addy etc into cyberspace. Heard of something called PERSEC??

 

[Medtech711]

Army Verm you may also look back on all Army and see who put the orginnal one up and while you at check all the other one to for that and tell them too.

 

[PMedMoe]

Army Verm you may also look back on all Army and see who put the orginnal one up and while you at check all the other one to for that and tell them too.

Just edit the post. 

I shudder to think you're a Med Tech if you can't write clearly.

Edit to add:  Thanks Bruce.

 

[MedTechStudent]

I shudder to think you're a Med Tech if you can't write clearly.

Yea, only Doctors can get away with that. 

 

[PMedMoe]

Yea, only Doctors can get away with that. 

Messy writing is one thing.  Lack of clarity in expression or statement is quite another. 

 

[justmyalias]

... by sometime late in 2010. ...

DPPD has indicated that Spec Pay will only be implemented once we have attained the point of having 50% of our QL5 Med Techs qualified with the AEC component....

So....is it late 2010 enough or still?

What's the latest word on this?

Could it still be shut down, or is it essentially just demonstrating that the 50% threshold has been met?

 

[medicineman]

You'll know when we do...when the Treasury Board is satisfied, you'll find yourself getting a raise if you're entitled to it.

MM