CAN Enhanced (Permanent?) Fwd Presence in Latvia

[IKnowNothing]

At what point does the force outgrow its HQ?

Going off OS (wiki) that's now
2x Tank Coy/Sqn (Canadian & Polish
2x Inf Coy (Canadian and Slovakian)
2x Inf Coy Reinforced with Tanks (Spanish and Italian)

And follow up- with another Canadian Inf Coy you could organize

1st (CAN) Bn - Canadian Tank Sqn (15x Leo 2A4M), 2x Canadian Inf Coy
2nd (MN) Bn - Spanish Inf Coy, Italian Inf Coy, MN Tank Sqn (8x Ariete, 6x Leo 2E)
Bde Reserve - Square combat team of Polish Tank Coy and Slovak Inf Coy

A lot of CS (and HQ's) to arrange but is that not essentially the maneuver component a short bde with two mech CAB's and a reserve?

Edit, would clean it up nicely if you could get Spain to up the tank contribution to a full sub-unit, and Italy to pull out the Arietes and sub in a couple battery's of Pzh 2000

 

[Lumber]

Looks like our force in Latvia is adding a squadron of Leopard 2s. Very good to see this.

Canada to add 15 Leopard tanks, 130 troops to NATO battlegroup in Latvia | Globalnews.ca

Canada already leads a 10-country NATO battlegroup in Latvia and negotiations are underway to grow that force to a battle-ready brigade.

globalnews.ca

How much do you want to bet these never come home and end up in "someone else's" garage?

 

[TangoTwoBravo]

looks like Canada is setting up for a Peace Force in the future.

How do you come to that conclusion from Canada sending Leopard 2 tanks with Canadian crews to be part of a Canadian-led Enhanced Forward Presence in Latvia? These are not donations to another country.

 

[McG]

How much do you want to bet these never come home and end up in "someone else's" garage?

They will come home. There are people who already know when the first theatre fleet rotation should happen.

 

[DBNSG]

So this announcement still keeps the Leo 2A6's in our garage here in Canada. Perhaps there are bigger plans?

 

[McG]

So this announcement still keeps the Leo 2A6's in our garage here in Canada. Perhaps there are bigger plans?

Like an R&O cycle with maybe some upgrades.

 

[GR66]

It's a small beginning

Hopefully it's just a beginning...not the final act.

 

[childs56]

Like an R&O cycle with maybe some upgrades.

Easier to justify upgrading the A4 to A6 or 7 if they are already there. Even more so if they are being rotated in and out.

 

[McG]

The A4M has upgrades that never made it to the A6 or to other A4. So, the A6 vehicles have the more immediate need of upgrades (and so are staying home to have this addressed).

 

[childs56]

How do you come to that conclusion from Canada sending Leopard 2 tanks with Canadian crews to be part of a Canadian-led Enhanced Forward Presence in Latvia? These are not donations to another country.

Never said they were donations. But I am getting the thought that the multinational forward Prescence will be ready for enforcement of peace talks when they happen. Or they think Russia is going to go ballistic in the near future.

The way I see it If you have some of the smaller contributors provide the initial Peacekeeping observer force then you have a better chance of Russia not messing around trying to entice the bigger countries into a confrontation, if and when the time comes for a DMZ along the borders of Ukraine, Russia and maybe Belarus.
Time will tell what happens.

 

[childs56]

The A4M has upgrades that never made it to the A6 or to other A4. So, the A6 vehicles have the more immediate need of upgrades (and so are staying home to have this addressed).

But since people have stated on here that Canada does not have the capability to perform Depot level Maintenance on our Tanks, Welding, fixing hulls etc this would be a opportune time to have that done.

 

[markppcli]

So instead of going from leading a Battle Group to leading a full Brigade we're just adding a less than doctrinal sized tank squadron to our current commitment?

It’s basically already a Bde.

Danish Bn
MN Bn

• Cdn Coy
• Italian coy
• Spanish Cmbt Team
• Polish tank coy

MN Artillery Bn

• Cdn M777 bty
• Spanish m109 bty
• Slovakian Bty
• Attach fwd observers

Joint Recce Sqn

 

[IKnowNothing]

@markppcli I thought the Danish were attached to the Latvian Mech Bde rather than the eFP BG?

 

[GR66]

It’s basically already a Bde.

Danish Bn
MN Bn

• Cdn Coy
• Italian coy
• Spanish Cmbt Team
• Polish tank coy

MN Artillery Bn

• Cdn M777 bty
• Spanish m109 bty
• Slovakian Bty
• Attach fwd observers

Joint Recce Sqn

My understanding is that Canada was asked to increase its commitment from leading eFP Latvia to deploying a full Canadian Brigade. The Danish Battalion is part of Denmark's Multinational Division - North deployment. Yes you could combine eFP Latvia with the Danish Battalion to create a short Brigade, but my understanding is that the Danish were joining with the Latvian Mech Brigade.

Even if we did join the Danes it would most likely be under Danish command since they are providing the Divisional leadership and a full Battalion with supporting elements while we're providing a Combat Team and a towed howitzer battery as part of a multi-national Battalion.

Not a terribly robust deployment for a G7 country but realistically the best we can probably support and sustain at this point.

 

[DBNSG]

@markppcli I thought the Danish were attached to the Latvian Mech Bde rather than the eFP BG?

You do know something

 

[IKnowNothing]

You do know something

No. Nothing.

 

[Maxman1]

There was a guy named Jon Snow in my regiment, and he really did know nothing.

 

[FJAG]

Anyone note that were sending a 15 tank squadron and not a 19 tank squadron? That basically makes it a three troop vice four troop squadron?

Am I reading too much into that or have we just had a small doctrinal nudge?

 

[GR66]

Anyone note that were sending a 15 tank squadron and not a 19 tank squadron? That basically makes it a three troop vice four troop squadron?

Am I reading too much into that or have we just had a small doctrinal nudge?

The other four will be sent once they get them running...

 

[Kirkhill]

So instead of going from leading a Battle Group to leading a full Brigade we're just adding a less than doctrinal sized tank squadron to our current commitment?

Doctrine can be re-written. Maybe 15 is the new 19? 3x4 + 3? 80 tanks, or is that 76? That would buy you 5 squadrons of 15. 3 Squadrons to the LdSH(RC) and one each to the RCDs and the 12RBC? Or 3 to the Strathcona's, 1 in the shop and 1 in the warehouse?