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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

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Our greenhouses are profitable because of our location. We can operate year round because of it. Our climate is conducive to it. We are on the same latitude as Northern Cali and Rome, Italy. Lots of sun, year round, very moderate temps, right on the most used border crossing in NA and on Hwy 401. Things like snow load and wind have little effect here. The further north you go the less profitable greenhouses become.
 
As always with Trump…lie, lie, lie…and each time saying it more outrageously and embellishing the lie more than the previous lie. Herr Goebbels and Roy Cohn taught Trump well. (I’m assuming everyone knows who Roy Cohn is.)

We need to be careful with stones. Our own government is very far from truthful. Our new PM has been shy about press coverage given all the lies he's been caught in already. Basically, whenever he opens his mouth. Trudeau's nose should be able to circle the globe a couple of times. This is not a defense of trump, but if we're going to pick on personality traits, we need to be clean on our side.
 
We need to be careful with stones. Our own government is very far from truthful. Our new PM has been shy about press coverage given all the lies he's been caught in already. Basically, whenever he opens his mouth. Trudeau's nose should be able to circle the globe a couple of times. This is not a defense of trump, but if we're going to pick on personality traits, we need to be clean on our side.
You’re right politicians in Canada have lied. from all parties—CPC, LPC, NDP, etc have lied. But I’ve never in my many days on this planet witnessed anything like what Trump is doing to subvert democracy. If you see Trump as a freedom fighter for the American people despite his lies, then fine. Respectfully I don’t agree at all that other politicians here are just as bad. I see Trump using his lies to subvert Canada and other foreign governments. And for that reason, my opinion is that Trump is dangerous.
 
I saw something about that, I can remember which northern community. Energy costs and available daylight (or even more energy to mimic it) are hurdles.
There are some larger scale greenhouses further north...especially in summer they actually become even more effective due to the longer days => more growing degree days.

The challenge is once it starts hitting -20 or colder...and they sure don't like the power bill at -40. There is at least one I know of in Timmons (tree nursery) that uses wood co-gen to offset heating costs while the one I think of in N. Alberta is Natural Gas. So seasonal production becomes more economical than year round like in the south.

But maybe a better question is...do we need fresh fruit and vegetables all the time? Growing up in the north you had berries/crab apples and some BC produce trucked north depending on season. Everything else was very limited options and/or quantities....and don't ask about prices. Canned and frozen goods were the common replacement for most side dishes. And the first garden harvests were always a nice mini-celebration compared to more canned beans.
 
You’re right politicians in Canada have lied. from all parties—CPC, LPC, NDP, etc have lied. But I’ve never in my many days on this planet witnessed anything like what Trump is doing to subvert democracy. If you see Trump as a freedom fighter for the American people despite his lies, then fine. Respectfully I don’t agree at all that other politiciansjere are just as bad. I see Trump using his lies to subvert Canada and other foreign governments. And for that reason, my opinion is that Trump is dangerous.

Give me a break. Did you not read where I said I wasn't defending trump? Sure he lies, but he is also bombastic and aggravating. That's more than likely your cause of discomforture with him. I'd rather someone who we know is lying and exaggerating, you can dismiss that person as a bully and braggart. Or you can have our slimeball who beguiles Canadians with soft, moist talking and Oscar worthy performances as a washed out drama teacher who blubbers on command, but convinces weak minded citizens he's really looking after them.

You see trump's lies as subverting Canada. I can easily argue trudeau's as doing the same.

 
There are some larger scale greenhouses further north...especially in summer they actually become even more effective due to the longer days => more growing degree days.

The challenge is once it starts hitting -20 or colder...and they sure don't like the power bill at -40. There is at least one I know of in Timmons (tree nursery) that uses wood co-gen to offset heating costs while the one I think of in N. Alberta is Natural Gas. So seasonal production becomes more economical than year round like in the south.

But maybe a better question is...do we need fresh fruit and vegetables all the time? Growing up in the north you had berries/crab apples and some BC produce trucked north depending on season. Everything else was very limited options and/or quantities....and don't ask about prices. Canned and frozen goods were the common replacement for most side dishes. And the first garden harvests were always a nice mini-celebration compared to more canned beans.

There was a time, when all we needed was a root cellar. (probably not lot of people here, know what that is🙂). Anyway, you wouldn’t have fresh fruit and veg until harvest season. Then you would gather it all up, can the fruit and soft foods and put it all, including your root veg, like spuds, carrots, beets, etc in the root cellar and live off of that until the next harvest.
 
Growing up greenhouses were common for basic vegetable gardens to gain the extra month of growing season needed. But it was always a "nice to have".

Then I saw what was happening in southern ontario and the industrial scale production that mostly was going to Hienz.

Huge volumes of fresh produce going straight to canned goods - usually - in high density production. No reason this couldn't be done in other portions of the country either (Vancouver, Medicine Hat, Annapolis Valley NB?) to help offset international imports.

I've also never looked at greenhouses the same since seeing those industrial scale ones.

There are also a number of First Nation related greenhouse projects underway, especially in BC, under various alternative power methods (Co-Gen, Geothermal, solar). Apparently it's a mix of provincial and federal initiatives around "Indigenous Food Security & Sovereignty (IFS) Grant"

Yes, we are blessed here in our tiny corner of Canada. The soil here was lake bottom at one time and exceedingly organic. Our climate is second to none. We are further south than many US states. If it’s not grown in greehouses, it’s grown on farms that are most of the county land. We have a number of vineyards and wine production, craft brewers, local meat and poultry producers. In urban areas, like Windsor, you find Canada’s auto capital, robotics manufacturers, the hub of Canadian tool and die shops and innovation. There's a lot packed into this little county. And yes, we even have real palm trees growing down here.🙂 BTW, Highbury Canco (Hienz), only takes field tomatoes. They don't use any hothouse products.

As an aside, our greenhouses are huge corporations with other greenhouse operations in Ohio, Alabama, California and Mexico.

Look at our little area on the map. We're the yellow bit, south of Detroit. Well into the States.

 
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