CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[MilEME09]

Humor break for you all
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[Fishbone Jones]

I don’t think he has a clear idea either. It seems he has a political version ofADHD

On the contrary. I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

He doesn't want to deal with a transitional government. Or a liberal one.

I think we can probably expect more of this until he knows exactly who he's dealing with after an election.

Right now, his goal is to keep people off balance. They can't solidify a response to him because he keeps moving the goalposts, on purpose.

Currently, with his talk of "they have nothing we need", he is attempting to nullify and cheapen our contribution. Which just leads people to believe that whatever they do buy, they are just being nice to us and doing us a favour. Right or wrong, that lowers the price we can ask for it. All the posturing is prep work for a final, serious sit down. Facts can come out, but the psychological impacts will remain in the back of everyone's mind and can sway decisions.

One thing I will state, almost categorically is, he knows who carney is, he knows what carney has done and he knows how carney will act. There are no secrets about carney he doesn't already know. Carney has zero advantage over Trump, in that department.

 

[Kirkhill]

On the contrary. I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

He doesn't want to deal with a transitional government. Or a liberal one.

I think we can probably expect more of this until he knows exactly who he's dealing with after an election.

Right now, his goal is to keep people off balance. They can't solidify a response to him because he keeps moving the goalposts, on purpose.

Currently, with his talk of "they have nothing we need", he is attempting to nullify and cheapen our contribution. Which just leads people to believe that whatever they do buy, they are just being nice to us and doing us a favour. Right or wrong, that lowers the price we can ask for it. All the posturing is prep work for a final, serious sit down. Facts can come out, but the psychological impacts will remain in the back of everyone's mind and can sway decisions.

One thing I will state, almost categorically is, he knows who carney is, he knows what carney has done and he knows how carney will act. There are no secrets about carney he doesn't already know. Carney has zero advantage over Trump, in that department.

I wouldn't forget that while Canada is on his list he is getting similar reactions for similar reasons in virtually every country on the planet. Everybody, including Putin and Xi, is trying to figure out him and his administration.

We can't afford to take everything personally.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Trump has demonstrated 180-degree incorrectness on almost every possible aspect of international trade. That suggests deep-seated ignorance, not 4-D chess political manoeuvres.

The simplest explanation is that he can't see past the basic economic advantages of being part of the US to understand all the other factors.

If someone could convince him it is good for America and Americans when other countries sell them things more cheaply than other Americans will, and discredit the advisors making contrary arguments, the problem would go away. Even if he can't be made to understand, he will pay attention to his ratings, for which the lever is educating everyone else. Meanwhile, we should do the same thing with our own politicians instead of making the trough deeper than it has to be and the inevitable recovery harder than it has to be.

 

[brihard]

Trump has demonstrated 180-degree incorrectness on almost every possible aspect of international trade. That suggests deep-seated ignorance, not 4-D chess political manoeuvres.

The simplest explanation is that he can't see past the basic economic advantages of being part of the US to understand all the other factors.

If someone could convince him it is good for America and Americans when other countries sell them things more cheaply than other Americans will, and discredit the advisors making contrary arguments, the problem would go away. Even if he can't be made to understand, he will pay attention to his ratings, for which the lever is educating everyone else. Meanwhile, we should do the same thing with our own politicians instead of making the trough deeper than it has to be and the inevitable recovery harder than it has to be.

Unfortunately he’s had a mercantilist bent for decades. I doubt that will change now.

 

[suffolkowner]

Trump has demonstrated 180-degree incorrectness on almost every possible aspect of international trade. That suggests deep-seated ignorance, not 4-D chess political manoeuvres.

The simplest explanation is that he can't see past the basic economic advantages of being part of the US to understand all the other factors.

If someone could convince him it is good for America and Americans when other countries sell them things more cheaply than other Americans will, and discredit the advisors making contrary arguments, the problem would go away. Even if he can't be made to understand, he will pay attention to his ratings, for which the lever is educating everyone else. Meanwhile, we should do the same thing with our own politicians instead of making the trough deeper than it has to be and the inevitable recovery harder than it has to be.

why would he care about his ratings?

 

[Kirkhill]

Trump has demonstrated 180-degree incorrectness on almost every possible aspect of international trade. That suggests deep-seated ignorance, not 4-D chess political manoeuvres.

The simplest explanation is that he can't see past the basic economic advantages of being part of the US to understand all the other factors.

If someone could convince him it is good for America and Americans when other countries sell them things more cheaply than other Americans will, and discredit the advisors making contrary arguments, the problem would go away. Even if he can't be made to understand, he will pay attention to his ratings, for which the lever is educating everyone else. Meanwhile, we should do the same thing with our own politicians instead of making the trough deeper than it has to be and the inevitable recovery harder than it has to be.

I don't know if he has a plan. I don't know if it is good or bad. I just think it is better to assume a plan than to assume no plan. Maybe chaos is his plan.

 

[Good2Golf]

Trump has demonstrated 180-degree incorrectness on almost every possible aspect of international trade. That suggests deep-seated ignorance, not 4-D chess political manoeuvres.

The simplest explanation is that he can't see past the basic economic advantages of being part of the US to understand all the other factors.

If someone could convince him it is good for America and Americans when other countries sell them things more cheaply than other Americans will, and discredit the advisors making contrary arguments, the problem would go away.

Only one person can…

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

You know, I feel bad for the people of Pont Roberts.

But I have a solution for them. Repeat after me: "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Then, we can contact Trump and tell him: We agree with you that the line between our countries needs to change. It has to go along the Southern edge of Point Roberts from now on.

 

[brihard]

You know, I feel bad for the people of Pont Roberts.

But I have a solution for them. Repeat after me: "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Then, we can contact Trump and tell him: We agree with you that the line between our countries needs to change. It has to go along the Southern edge of Point Roberts from now on.

I bet a quarter of them are in witness protection.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

But which quarter? You will never know.

 

[RangerRay]

You know, I feel bad for the people of Pont Roberts.

But I have a solution for them. Repeat after me: "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Then, we can contact Trump and tell him: We agree with you that the line between our countries needs to change. It has to go along the Southern edge of Point Roberts from now on.

We can offer the poor people of the Northwest Angle the same offer too!

Northwest Angle - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[daftandbarmy]

Watching the Vancouver fans boo the US national anthem as they take on Chicago tonight...

... followed by a rousing O Canada.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Watching the Vancouver fans boo the US national anthem as they take on Chicago tonight...

... followed by a rousing O Canada.

That's OK. Chicago (and Illinois) are mostly Democratic, and Democrats lean more protectionist than Republicans.

 

[MilEME09]

You know, I feel bad for the people of Pont Roberts.

But I have a solution for them. Repeat after me: "I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, King of Canada, His Heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Then, we can contact Trump and tell him: We agree with you that the line between our countries needs to change. It has to go along the Southern edge of Point Roberts from now on.

Brings a valid question though, if they wanted to separate from the US, and join Canada, could they? Is there even a mechanism for a small county to do so?

 

[KevinB]

Watching the Vancouver fans boo the US national anthem as they take on Chicago tonight...

... followed by a rousing O Canada.

Pretty disappointing to see folks taking stuff out on the anthems. To me that is simply childish behavior that just further poisons the well.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Pretty disappointing to see folks taking stuff out on the anthems. To me that is simply childish behavior that just further poisons the well.

I agree.

But it's Vancouver, so it's nice to see them paying attention to what's going on in the rest of the world.... for a change.

 

[OldSolduer]

Pretty disappointing to see folks taking stuff out on the anthems. To me that is simply childish behavior that just further poisons the well.

Agreed.

 

[PrairieFella]

Pretty disappointing to see folks taking stuff out on the anthems. To me that is simply childish behavior that just further poisons the well.

It's a pretty tame form of protest considering your administration is advocating for our national destruction. If Trump was elected to form a government for the people by the people, then this is the people's fault. If Americans don't like the booing, do something about your shitty government. Free speech/freedom of expression, right?