CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[lenaitch]

Mods: I posted this in the election thread as well because it's something I felt could have gone in either thread.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, tripling down. It's almost like she's trying to annihilate any chance the CPC might have.

Danielle Smith and Ben Shapiro discuss Canada electing ‘solid allies’ to Trump at Florida event

On stage at a PragerU fundraiser, the Alberta premier, under fire for allegedly encouraging U.S. leaders to influence Canadian politics, said, 'I come in peace.'

www.nationalobserver.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/URUoJ

It seems China and India might not be our only concerns for foreign election interference.

 

[brihard]

It seems China and India might not be our only concerns for foreign election interference.

Important to differentiate between ‘influence’ and ‘interference’. ‘Influence’ is generally lawful because it’s overt and aboveboard, even if not particularly welcome. Lobbying, meeting with diaspora groups, etc.

Interference is where something is clandestine, deceptive, subversive, or otherwise done in a manner contrary to the security interests of the state.

Canada has recently strengthened criminal provisions around the interference part of it, and once the foreign agents registry is up, that will force influence activity on behalf of a foreign state to generally be overt in order to be lawful.

 

[JLB50]

Mods: I posted this in the election thread as well because it's something I felt could have gone in either thread.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, tripling down. It's almost like she's trying to annihilate any chance the CPC might have.

Danielle Smith and Ben Shapiro discuss Canada electing ‘solid allies’ to Trump at Florida event

On stage at a PragerU fundraiser, the Alberta premier, under fire for allegedly encouraging U.S. leaders to influence Canadian politics, said, 'I come in peace.'

www.nationalobserver.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/URUoJ

The Conservatives have a long history of shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[OldSolduer]

It seems China and India might not be our only concerns for foreign election interference.

I think most nations indulge in a bit of foreign interference every so often.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think most nations indulge in a bit of foreign interference every so often.

The Canadian Gov is running an Ad campaign in the US right now to counter the current US Admins moves against us.

We all do influence. It's interference that's the problem.

Hell, a good part of my job is to influence officers to make smart choices

 

[brihard]

The Canadian Gov is running an Ad campaign in the US right now to counter the current US Admins moves against us.

We all do influence. It's interference that's the problem.

Hell, a good part of my job is to influence officers to make smart choices

Great example.

 

[HavokFour]

Some cracks might be finally starting to appear.

U.S. senators push back against ‘fake emergency’ Trump relied on to justify Canadian tariffs

The April 1 vote will force senators to make clear to the White House – and to Americans – where they stand

www.theglobeandmail.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/0KV8l

 

[ModlrMike]

Even if everything were to be reversed overnight, it would take many years for the relationship to return to baseline.

 

[brihard]

Some cracks might be finally starting to appear.

U.S. senators push back against ‘fake emergency’ Trump relied on to justify Canadian tariffs

The April 1 vote will force senators to make clear to the White House – and to Americans – where they stand

www.theglobeandmail.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/0KV8l

There will be a vote in the Senate on the resolution tomorrow, and Kaine may have the necessary votes from a handful of Republicans. I don’t know the mechanism after that; whether it needs to go to the House for a vote as well to invalidate the emergency. If it does, well, the Republicans in the House as a lot are whipped cowards. But with Trump’s tariff announcement tomorrow, we would have some time to identify house Republicans whose districts are competitive, and also export a lot to Canada. Pick eight or ten such districts and shove retaliatory tariffs up their ass in hopes that four or five of them blink

 

[Blackadder1916]

There will be a vote in the Senate on the resolution tomorrow, and Kaine may have the necessary votes from a handful of Republicans. I don’t know the mechanism after that; whether it needs to go to the House for a vote as well to invalidate the emergency. If it does, well, the Republicans in the House as a lot are whipped cowards. But with Trump’s tariff announcement tomorrow, we would have some time to identify house Republicans whose districts are competitive, and also export a lot to Canada. Pick eight or ten such districts and shove retaliatory tariffs up their ass in hopes that four or five of them blink

The next steps for Congress

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President Trump’s Use of the National Emergency Act and Possible Congressional Next Steps | Insights | Mayer Brown

Recently, President Donald Trump issued three Executive Orders (EOs) to impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada, and the People’s Republic of China (PRC)

www.mayerbrown.com

. . . In addition to the president’s authority to declare a national emergency under the NEA, Congress also has a role to play. Specifically, under the NEA, Congress may terminate a national emergency through a joint resolution, which proceeds as follows:

1. If a Member of Congress introduces a joint resolution proposing the termination of a national emergency, the resolution is sent to the appropriate committees of the House of Representatives and the Senate. In the House, termination resolutions have previously been referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, which has jurisdiction over “[f]ederal management of emergencies and natural disasters.”5 The Senate’s referral process varies, as it appears to be influenced by the subject matter of the emergency powers invoked by the president in the national emergency declaration.6
2. The respective committees report their recommendations within 15 calendar days, unless otherwise determined by the chamber.
3. The joint resolution becomes the pending business of the chamber in question and is voted on within three calendar days unless otherwise determined by that chamber.
4. Upon the joint resolution’s passing in either the House of Representatives or the Senate, the joint resolution is referred to the appropriate committee of the other chamber and is reported with recommendations within 15 calendar days. The joint resolution must then be voted on within three calendar days, unless otherwise determined by the house.
5. Finally, if any disagreement exists between the House of Representatives and the Senate with respect to a passed joint resolution, conferees are promptly appointed and the committee of conference must file a report with respect to the joint resolution within six calendar days after the day on which the conferees on the part of the Senate and the House are appointed. The report is acted on by both chambers within six calendar days. In the event the conferees are unable to agree within 48 hours, they report back to their respective houses in disagreement.

Any joint resolution passed by Congress would be privileged, and, accordingly, receive a vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Any passed joint resolution would be subject to a presidential veto. If the resolution is vetoed, Congress would need a supermajority (2/3) vote to override the veto to pass the resolution.
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[brihard]

The next steps for Congress

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President Trump’s Use of the National Emergency Act and Possible Congressional Next Steps | Insights | Mayer Brown

Recently, President Donald Trump issued three Executive Orders (EOs) to impose tariffs on Mexico, Canada, and the People’s Republic of China (PRC)

www.mayerbrown.com

. . . In addition to the president’s authority to declare a national emergency under the NEA, Congress also has a role to play. Specifically, under the NEA, Congress may terminate a national emergency through a joint resolution, which proceeds as follows:

1. If a Member of Congress introduces a joint resolution proposing the termination of a national emergency, the resolution is sent to the appropriate committees of the House of Representatives and the Senate. In the House, termination resolutions have previously been referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, which has jurisdiction over “[f]ederal management of emergencies and natural disasters.”5 The Senate’s referral process varies, as it appears to be influenced by the subject matter of the emergency powers invoked by the president in the national emergency declaration.6
2. The respective committees report their recommendations within 15 calendar days, unless otherwise determined by the chamber.
3. The joint resolution becomes the pending business of the chamber in question and is voted on within three calendar days unless otherwise determined by that chamber.
4. Upon the joint resolution’s passing in either the House of Representatives or the Senate, the joint resolution is referred to the appropriate committee of the other chamber and is reported with recommendations within 15 calendar days. The joint resolution must then be voted on within three calendar days, unless otherwise determined by the house.
5. Finally, if any disagreement exists between the House of Representatives and the Senate with respect to a passed joint resolution, conferees are promptly appointed and the committee of conference must file a report with respect to the joint resolution within six calendar days after the day on which the conferees on the part of the Senate and the House are appointed. The report is acted on by both chambers within six calendar days. In the event the conferees are unable to agree within 48 hours, they report back to their respective houses in disagreement.

Any joint resolution passed by Congress would be privileged, and, accordingly, receive a vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Any passed joint resolution would be subject to a presidential veto. If the resolution is vetoed, Congress would need a supermajority (2/3) vote to override the veto to pass the resolution.
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Oh, well that’s that then. No way those feckless clowns will vote to override a veto even if it gets the necessary bare majority to move forward.