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CH 47 Incident at Petawawa 20/June/ 2023

Humphrey Bogart said:
Politics is a different beast entirely. Sajjan could be an absolute beauty and people would still hate him just because of the colour of his tie.

I met him a few times, seemed like a nice guy tbh.

I think he got used by the LPC. When your support base is rock solid you can and will be used as a bullet sponge to draw fire to deflect away from other failings.
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And let’s not forget that it isn’t just politics. Being the CO of a reserve unit is nowhere near the same as being but at the head of a billions of dollars department. Governance over massive entities does not come easy for some.
 
Humphrey Bogart said:
I think he got used by the LPC. When your support base is rock solid you can and will be used as a bullet sponge to draw fire to deflect away from other failings.
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I think Leslie is thanking his lucky stars that he didn't get a high profile cabinet position because his reputation would have taken quite the hit if he did. Or he may have shown that he wasn't going to be a LPC Team Player early on and either was told he wouldn't get cabinet or he figured the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and GTFO'd after one term.
 
FSTO said:
I think Leslie is thanking his lucky stars that he didn't get a high profile cabinet position because his reputation would have taken quite the hit if he did. Or he may have shown that he wasn't going to be a LPC Team Player early on and either was told he wouldn't get cabinet or he figured the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and GTFO'd after one term.
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The brightest stars generally burn out the fastest!
 
The latest - initial official summary ...

CH147 Chinook From the Investigator - Canada.ca

www.canada.ca www.canada.ca
On 20 June the crew of Hammer 31, onboard aircraft CH147310, were conducting a scheduled two-hour night training syllabus mission as part of the Tactical First Officer Course. Two pilots and two Flight Engineers were onboard the aircraft at the time of the accident.

At the beginning of the mission, the crew executed a circuit on Final Approach and Take-Off Area 17, then departed to fly to confined area T40 in training area “E”, located 4 km North-North-East of Garrison Petawawa. Shortly after departure the helicopter turned left and, once cleared of the tree line on the west shore of the Ottawa river, descended to tactical altitudes as per the mission profile. While descending and still established in the left turn, the helicopter impacted the water with high energy at 00:10 local time.

The helicopter was destroyed. The two pilots perished in the accident and the two Flight Engineers successfully egressed the helicopter, receiving only minor injuries.

The investigation is focusing on human, technical, and environmental factors.
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Archived link here
 
I see the Griffons fly super low in my front field here in the Richelieu valley all the time. I still don't know how they manage to fly so low safely. It may be a CFIT, but I wouldn't blame anyone. It's got to be an accepted risk of such low flying.

Personally, I'd rather do a RAS at night in fog than attempt such flying feat.

R.I.P. Flight Lieutenants.
 
The Bread Guy said:
The Epilogue (also archived here) ...

CH147310 Chinook – Epilogue - Canada.ca

On the evening of 19 Jun 2023, the crew of Hammer 31, on board aircraft CH147310, was scheduled to conduct two Advanced Night Tests as part of the Tactical First Officer Course.
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... with this excerpt:
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This, from the news release (archived here) ....
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Oldgateboatdriver said:
I see the Griffons fly super low in my front field here in the Richelieu valley all the time. I still don't know how they manage to fly so low safely. It may be a CFIT, but I wouldn't blame anyone. It's got to be an accepted risk of such low flying.

Personally, I'd rather do a RAS at night in fog than attempt such flying feat.

R.I.P. Flight Lieutenants.
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There but for the grace of God, go more than a few. It’s a very unforgiving regime. Native-mode with alt-coupled is a good mode over water or flat low-detail terrain, but not without its own issues, particularly cosine bank angle factor (set rad alt at ‘h’ and with a 60° bank, your true height will be 0.5h), so maneuvering affects the control system’s stabilization modes. All things to be mindful of, amongst the myriad of factors at play at any one time during a mission. It can happens to the best of the best, and the aircraft captain was amongst the best, so as OGBD notes, doing the business isn’t without having to accept a certain level of risk. Aside from that Alaskan Air mechanics who joy-rode a Dash 8 into the water, not many pilots undertake a mission planning on not doing everything right and coming home at the end of the flight.

RIP Marc and Dave. 😔
 
I was sick to my stomach after I read that report.

Having spent hundreds of hours, low level over the water in dark conditions (before goggles were even a thing for MH crews), with a dodgy radalt and an analog coupler (Sea King), I hesitate even think about the amount of close calls I had and didn’t even know it.
 
As a GIB, I found it more soothing to turn off my goggles...
Again as a guy sitting in the back, with little time over rivers, the ocean swells seemed easier to see than rivers through my goggles.
 
SeaKingTacco said:
I was sick to my stomach after I read that report.

Having spent hundreds of hours, low level over the water in dark conditions (before goggles were even a thing for MH crews), with a dodgy radalt and an analog coupler (Sea King), I hesitate even think about the amount of close calls I had and didn’t even know it.
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Yeah, I figured SKT…especially reading para *1.6.15, and that system isn’t as absolute as the CH-148’s…. 😳
 
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It’s like a resistance setting that keeps the thrust lever (‘collective’ on a tandem) wherever you set it. You can push and pull it temporarily, but to move it to a new position and leave it there, you click the mag-brake release switch temporarily to let the thrust lever move with less force.
 
I can see why. IIRC, masthead height on the IRE's was 96 feet, and on the pre-Trump IRO's, it was a few feet higher.
 
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