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Interesting. Has this been spread throughout the Infantry Corps?
I'd like to see some more on this.
I'd like to see some more on this.
Why do mirrors reverse images left-to-right, but not top-to-bottom (ie - why is your nametag reversed but you're not upside down)?Technoviking said:I'll be able to answer any questions with authority
It's an optical illusion that they "appear" to reverse. You see the same image, but from behind is allJourneyman said:Why do mirrors reverse images left-to-right, but not top-to-bottom (ie - why is your nametag reversed but you're not upside down)?
I've got nothing; I'll STFU now
Brihard said:CanadianTire- If your experience out there is the same as it is here, being put in a leadership role simply means you're the most senior/qualified person available. Most of us are filling a rank up in terms of our actual job, and I know other units have it worse. So while I get what you mean about the new courses hindering career progression rank wise, troops will likely still find themselves in leadership roles, simply by virtue of showing up longer and on one more course than the next guys.
May the mod system burn in Hell a death in the fires as hot as a thousand suns ;DBrihard said:Technoviking, a couple questions for when you're able to field them:
The new DP3A; duration? Broken into mods at all? More elaboration of the actual PO checks?
Not at all similar. Except in that both will be conducted mainly in the field. Remember that for the PLQ, the candidates were being trained to be section commanders, and then being employed as Section 2ICs (eg: MCpl). Don’t think of a garrison role as Section Commander as “performing the job”, or even on FTX. Think of who was Section Commander on operations.Brihard said:To what extent will the new 3A be similar to PLQ Mod 6 infantry as it would have been run 4 or 5 years ago?
PLQ Mod 6 (“PLQ Infantry”) will retain everything that is on PLQ Mod 6 Land, but will also have hard-assessments for the section 2IC. Where the section commander will be assessed to “competency level 2” (aka: with supervision), the 2IC will be assessed to level 3 “(aka: no or minimal supervision). In other words, the Section Commander won’t be required to conduct an estimate: the results will be given to him (aka: your mission is to destroy, block, etc).Brihard said:What changes, if any, will be realized in the PLQ Mod 6 Infantry?
Yes. In order to be appointed MCpl, an infantryman will need to have DP 2 complete (see above)Brihard said:Will any qualification above PL Mod 6 Inf be required for appointment to MCpl?
Yes, they will need to have DP 2 complete and be appointed MCpl by their chain of command.Brihard said:Will any further qualifications beyond Mod 6 be required for Reserve MCpls to teach on DP1 level courses?
I understand your frustration; however, the thing is for all those who are currently DP 3A qualified will not need to get new qualifications. Once you are DP 3A qualified, that’s it, that’s all.Brihard said:Speaking personally, this sucks- redoing offensive/defensive ops at the section level in the course context has about as much appeal to me as buggery. With that said, I taught on Mod 6 in LFCA in the past couple years and frankly was extremely unimpressed with the passing standards for the candidates, and how little actual field time they got and the low expectations they were held to. If the new system means section commanders are better qualified for the role, then professionally I can't fault it. I only taught the one serial, so I can't say if it was a serial problem, a staff problem, a problem higher up in the school, a policy problem (pass the little F*$&ers at all costs!) or if the course itself is now fundamentally flawed.
Once fully implemented, they will not be eligible for appointment to MCpl until they get DP 2 complete, which includes the advanced small arms.Brihard said:Putting on my funny hat for a minute, I'm concerned about what this will mean for the reserves. All too often we have Cpls put up the leaf literally on grad parade- I'd say that about 2/3 of the reservists on the mixed reg/res course I taught a few years ago were MCpls the day they graduated, and from followup I know that most of them went home and walked into section commands. I know this is a perennial problem in the reserves, but I'm concerned that this could turn into an impetus to further weaken the expectations of the Mod 6 infantry, at least as I have perceived them.
Technoviking said:They didn’t “get” mission command, they didn’t have a good grasp of the mission analysis or the estimate at their level.
Without course lengths, here is the model once it’s completed its realignment:ArmyRick said:For those not in the know, I am going to add in the current infantry career NCM chain as of July 2011
Regular
BMQ, 13 weeks
DP1 Infantry, 14 weeks = Trained Private posted in battalion
DP2A IPSW
PLQ (Infantry) = Promotion to Master Corporal
DP3A Section Comd (Formerly Small Arms Instructor) = Promotion to Sergeant
DP3B Inf PL 2iC (DL and Residency phases) = Can be promoted Acting Lacking WO
ILQ = Promoted to WO
DP4 = Can be promoted acting lacking MWO
ALQ = Promoted to MWO
CWQ = Promoted to CWO
None. The changes have been made and the courses will reflect it. The sgts on operations were taught Mission Command, etc, but back when they were Pte/Cpl on their PLQ, and then never used it for 3-6 years, and there was a gulf. So, instead of teaching someone how to drive, for example, and then not letting them drive for 3-6 years, we are teaching them their skills required immediately prior to their employment in the position.dapaterson said:So are we talking the need to change things at the Infantry School, at Fort Frontenac, or at the college in Toronto?
I had to explain this to an MWO who thought if the OC and Coy 2 I/C were out...he was in command. And NO I did not have to remind myself. >ArmyRick said:*Mentioning understanding of duties, I bumped into someone who actually thought a MWO was 4th in chain of command after OC, 2IC and LAV Capt. I had to explain to him that no, the LT commanding platoons come next and finally after all commissioned guys are out, it falls on the CSM next.
I'm not sure. The idea is that there be no "gulf" or "gap" between PLQ (Inf) and DP 2 Advanced Small Arms. Of course, the best laid plans, and all...ArmyRick said:After reading the material, is there any potential of promoting CPL to MCPL acting lacking (without the small arms instructor) phase?
The DP 2 Advanced Small Arms and DP 3 Section Commander will both be taught in Gagetown. The remainder will be at units or ATCs.ArmyRick said:Will all the new leadership course (less PLQ) be done at gagetown? Is there any room to conduct some of the MCPL qualifications at the Area training centers to alleviate potential future back logs?
Yes, FFQ will become a prerequisite for DP 3 Platoon 2IC. It will be taught at the ATCs (as far as I know)ArmyRick said:I read something in there about a shorter FFQ for those of higher rank. How is that being implemented?
Yes, the aim is to use as much DL as is practicable.ArmyRick said:Is some of this new training being done on DL?