Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Kirkhill]

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Just have to see how divided Canadians are when the next election comes around.

The biggest divide in Canadian politics? Men vs. Women. - Macleans.ca

Philippe J. Fournier: If only men voted, the Liberal and Conservatives would be in a statistical tie. Only women: the Liberals win a crushing 226 seats.

www.macleans.ca

Before we go highlighting yet another divide to bring virtual swords to the canton....

The Swiss Custom of Voting While Shitfaced and Heavily Armed

Landsgemeinde is a wonderful chance to get hammered in public and vote for a farmer to be your "city captain."

www.vice.com

Men 37% Liberal, 35% Conservative - 2% difference - remove 1% from the Liberals and add it to the Conservatives - 36-36
Women 47% Liberal, 23% Conservative - 24% difference - remove 12% from the Liberals and add it to the Conservatives - 35-35

In the real world men and women both vote - 50-50

So moving 12% of the female population or 6% of the total population puts the game back evens.

Those types of swings are regularly seen.

Mountains and molehills. Unless one is set on fomenting division.

 

[Remius]

Because King was spreading false information that if you have a white flag, police can't do anything

The organisers were spreading that among other fake things. Like OPS has resigned en masse, that they wouldn’t be arrested, that they couldn’t take their trucks etc etc. Good people being led by bad actors.

 

[The Bread Guy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1495427196072169476

SIU involved in horse trampling female protestor causing injuries. Also note less lethal firearm discharges (which was caught on video when a journalist was struck at point blank range with the projectile).

Here's what they're saying so far ....

... Preliminary information suggests the following:

• On Friday, February 18 at approximately 5:14 p.m. there was an interaction between a Toronto Police Service officer on a horse and a 49-year-old woman on Rideau Street and Mackenzie Avenue.
• The woman has a reported serious injury.
• On Saturday, February 19 at approximately 7:18 p.m. Vancouver Police Department officers discharged Anti-Riot Weapon Enfields (less-lethal firearms) at individuals in the area of Sparks Street and Bank Street.
• No injuries have been reported at this time.
• The SIU asks anyone who may have been struck by a projectile to contact the unit.

Six investigators and two forensic investigators have been assigned to these cases ...

 

[Kilted]

So far all that I have seen is one representative from New Mexico saying that she will introduce legislation. I doubt it will go away. Although, I wonder if we might be better off if a few of these people left the country.

If they are so hard done, I hear some US states are offering political asylum

 

[The Bread Guy]

... More canadians strongly oppose emergencies act shows mainstreet poll

Technically true though.

Could also be "more than previous polling", too.

 

[lenaitch]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/tamara-lich-bail-hearing-february-19-1.6358307?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar

This gets me every single time.

I've read about some of the evidence being reported out of the bail hearings. He may not be a core organizer, but he shares a bed with one. Gives you confidence that the so-called leadership of this exercise received their civics knowledge from social media and/or the back of a cereal box.

Is it time to move Ottawa out of Ottawa?

If work doesn’t need to be done in Ottawa-area offices, does it need to be done in Ottawa at all?

theconversation.com

It's an option -

Maybe they can find an RV Park.

De-centralize all they want but there would still be the seat of government.

Having seen what the Federal government (and SNC lavilin) can do to run a mall into the ground with heritage buildings in tourist central, I would not wish that onto the people that live in the proposed area.

No kidding - governments make lousy landlords. I understand folks living in PMQ/RHU housing would agree.

 

[Good2Golf]

It is common (I'm all for it with drug deals and such), but for conspiracy to commit mischief or mischief though?

It seems like they're pulling the old administrative measures because charges won't stick trick. No?

If the government thinks they're acting like terrorists then charge them with terrorism.

You mean there are laws to do that? Crazy talk!

Anti-terrorism Act

Federal laws of canada

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca

 

[Kirkhill]

I've read about some of the evidence being reported out of the bail hearings. He may not be a core organizer, but he shares a bed with one. Gives you confidence that the so-called leadership of this exercise received their civics knowledge from social media and/or the back of a cereal box.

De-centralize all they want but there would still be the seat of government.


No kidding - governments make lousy landlords. I understand folks living in PMQ/RHU housing would agree.

Perhaps Ottawa might want to consider creating a designated Demonstration Ground where the OPS can direct and contain protesters while they conduct orderly, if not necessarily lawful, demonstrations. Preferably in sight of Parliament Hill.

I offer the National Mall in DC and Hyde Park in London as examples.

 

[Good2Golf]

Perhaps Ottawa might want to consider creating a designated Demonstration Ground where the OPS can direct and contain protesters while they conduct orderly, if not necessarily lawful, demonstrations. Preferably in sight of Parliament Hill.

I offer the National Mall in DC and Hyde Park in London as examples.

To date, it has seemed to be on Parliament Hill proper, or sometimes Major Hill Park to the immediate East. Worked well since before the Emergencies Act came into being in 1988.

 

[Remius]

To date, it has seemed to be on Parliament Hill proper, or sometimes Major Hill Park to the immediate East. Worked well since before the Emergencies Act came into being in 1988.

Can still work well. Just don’t let trucks in.

 

[Weinie]

He does sound like someone who gets all brave after the door is locked....

Sorta like this guy.

He wanted to ride in like the cavalry, but the only mode of transport was a snowmobile. He declined.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...ractures-pelvis-in-snowmobile-crash-1.2977539

 

[lenaitch]

Here's what they're saying so far ....

Well, that's interesting. The TPS mounted unit-related injury appears to fall without their mandate. Without an injury (as defined in the Act) from the ARWEN discharge, I'm not convinced the SIU has jurisdiction. The fact that it might have been discharged by a non-Ontario member will be interesting to watch, since I'm not convinced they are captured by the Act, unless there was some agreement as part of the work-up for the deployment.

I recall an incident, several years ago and very early in the SIU's existence, where a joint OPP-RCMP takedown went a little south and an RCMP member wounded a miscreant. The SIU showed up and made a set of demands from the RCMP and its member, who promptly told them to go pound sand.

Edit - I mis-read. Their jurisdiction does include the "discharge of a firearm at a person". The other issue still stands in my mind.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I've read about some of the evidence being reported out of the bail hearings. He may not be a core organizer, but he shares a bed with one. Gives you confidence that the so-called leadership of this exercise received their civics knowledge from social media and/or the back of a cereal box.

De-centralize all they want but there would still be the seat of government.


No kidding - governments make lousy landlords. I understand folks living in PMQ/RHU housing would agree.

Malaysia built an entire goverment centre on the outskirts of KL to reduce congestion. Note they also offer free housing to civil servants. Putrajaya | city and federal territory, Malaysia

 

[lenaitch]

Perhaps Ottawa might want to consider creating a designated Demonstration Ground where the OPS can direct and contain protesters while they conduct orderly, if not necessarily lawful, demonstrations. Preferably in sight of Parliament Hill.

I offer the National Mall in DC and Hyde Park in London as examples.

I offer the Central Experimental Farm. Or be like the Beijing Olympics where they setup designated protest zones, in a country where it is illegal to protest.

 

[Jarnhamar]

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Or be like the Beijing Olympics where they setup designated protest zones, in a country where it is illegal to protest.

AKA the beaten zone.

 

[dapaterson]

I offer the Central Experimental Farm. Or be like the Beijing Olympics where they setup designated protest zones, in a country where it is illegal to protest.

Or Lebreton flats.

 

[Kirkhill]

Can still work well. Just don’t let trucks in.

Could have let the trucks in an park them in Lansdowne Park and similar venues and let the organizers arrange shuttles to the Hill. The politicians and the press would have seen the protesters, under control, and the protesters would have been able to demonstrate their commitment and size of their support by the number of trucks remaining on site.

With no emergency.

Or did Covid rules get in the way of recognized practice?

 

[Remius]

Could have let the trucks in an park them in Lansdowne Park and similar venues and let the organizers arrange shuttles to the Hill. The politicians and the press would have seen the protesters, under control, and the protesters would have been able to demonstrate their commitment and size of their support by the number of trucks remaining on site.

With no emergency.

Or did Covid rules get in the way of recognized practice?

Like the Coventry Road Command Center? No thanks.

 

[Kirkhill]

Former prime minister Chrétien says Trudeau has 'absolutely no authority' to quash blockades through police force

'For those who are both demanding Trudeau call in or call off the police with regards to blockades it isn't in the job description,' tweets former NDP MP Nathan Cullen, who is serving as B.C.'s liaison with the Wet'suwet'en people.

www.hilltimes.com

 

[Kirkhill]

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/when-protest-met-pepper-spray-at-the-1997-apec-conference-1.5358298