Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Furniture]

Before they start swinging clubs the Govs have to been at least trying to open dialogue.

This will be recorded from all angles... Lest get it right the first time.

100% the bolded part.

The OPS made a mistake assuming the protesters would go home at the end of the weekend, but since then they have been doing a good job keeping things calm and contained, particularly given that the politicians have refused to make any attempt to calm the situation.

The protest has spawned multiple other peaceful protests, which while bad, aren't dead bodies in the streets bad. If the OPS goes in gas canisters flying, and clubs swinging, there is real potential for things to blow up horribly. If the loonies see dead protesters in Ottawa, they might decide it's time to get violent. It was bad enough when we were dealing with a few crazed islamists, imagine hundreds of actual far-right (not make believe media ones) militants deciding to act.

 

[Altair]

New Zealand police arrest Covid protesters as 'freedom convoys' spread

The New Zealand protests are the latest sign of the truckers’ growing influence beyond Canada’s borders, as others mimic their strategies to oppose coronavirus restrictions.

www.nbcnews.com

Police in New Zealand's capital made more than 100 arrests as they moved to clear a protest camp outside the country's parliament where thousands had gathered to rally against Covid-19 restrictions.

Inspired by “freedom convoy” protests by truckers that have paralyzed the Canadian capital, Ottawa, since late January, demonstrators in Wellington have pitched tents and parked vehicles to block major roads surrounding the legislature since Tuesday.

 

[OldSolduer]

Do any of you remember Oka? Where the young soldier and "Lasagna" went face to face?

Do you really want another Canadian Soldier going face to face with one of our citizens for the pleasure of the TV cameras?

I don't.

Jaw jaw is better than war war. Lets give dialogue and chance and issuing ultimatums is not dialogue.

I'm just going to add that if people were this passionate about the destruction of statues that some of us value this would have played out by now.

 

[Altair]

Do any of you remember Oka? Where the young soldier and "Lasagna" went face to face?

Do you really want another Canadian Soldier going face to face with one of our citizens for the pleasure of the TVC cameras?

I don't.

Jaw jaw is better than war war. Lets give dialogue and chance and issuing ultimatums is not dialogue.

NZ didn't use soldiers. Just police doing their jobs.

It's pretty simple, leave or you're under arrest. They don't leave, arrest them calmly.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

New Zealand police arrest Covid protesters as 'freedom convoys' spread

The New Zealand protests are the latest sign of the truckers’ growing influence beyond Canada’s borders, as others mimic their strategies to oppose coronavirus restrictions.

www.nbcnews.com

You're seriously misrepresenting the size and scope of the protests in NZ vs what's going on in Canada.

Also, Ottawa Police have made arrests.

Yes, I'm sure those NZ Police would be trying similar tactics if they had to kettle 400+ 18 wheelers, with children in them.

All it takes is one crazy in an 18 wheeler and we've got a bunch of pancakes in downtown Ottawa:

It's ok though Altair, you're clearly a tactical genius and know better than the professionals

 

[Remius]

Do any of you remember Oka? Where the young soldier and "Lasagna" went face to face?

Do you really want another Canadian Soldier going face to face with one of our citizens for the pleasure of the TV cameras?

I don't.

Jaw jaw is better than war war. Lets give dialogue and chance and issuing ultimatums is not dialogue.

I'm just going to add that if people were this passionate about the destruction of statues that some of us value this would have played out by now.

You are working under the assumption that law enforcement haven’t been trying to have a dialogue for the last little while.

 

[OldSolduer]

You are working under the assumption that law enforcement haven’t been trying to have a dialogue for the last little while.

Then they better start saying that in press conferences. I haven't watched the Chief from the OPS but the last time I did he made it sound like they were charging up Juno Beach.

 

[Spencer100]

Ontario court freezes access to donations for truckers' protest from GiveSendGo

OTTAWA — The Ontario government says it has successfully petitioned a court to freeze access to millions of dollars donated through online fundraising platform GiveSendGo to the convoy protesting COVID-19 restrictions in Ottawa and at several border

www.burnabynow.com

This is just breaking

Got to give it to the govthey work very work to not have to talk to them.

Do any of you remember Oka? Where the young soldier and "Lasagna" went face to face?

Do you really want another Canadian Soldier going face to face with one of our citizens for the pleasure of the TV cameras?

I don't.

Jaw jaw is better than war war. Lets give dialogue and chance and issuing ultimatums is not dialogue.

I'm just going to add that if people were this passionate about the destruction of statues that some of us value this would have played out by now.

As an aside I think read sometime ago about that soldier. I don't think things turned out very well for him. Something about a porn movie after being released. I could be wrong. But is that what we want on our phones and screen? If the army is deployed....everyone loses. And some forever.

 

[Remius]

Then they better start saying that in press conferences. I haven't watched the Chief from the OPS but the last time I did he made it sound like they were charging up Juno Beach.

They’ve been saying that they have attempted dialogue on multiple occasions. They managed to negotiate and have a dozen or so truckers and their vehicles leave the area but that is just a drop in the bucket.

At some point dialogue will end.

 

[Brad Sallows]

They don't leave, arrest them calmly.

A calm arrest requires cooperation between the parties.

 

[Spencer100]

I don't think talking to the OPS want is wanted. I think they need a little higher than that.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Probably for partisan political reasons, restrictions are falling away in the US. That will put additional pressure on Canadian governments. Plain old weathervane politics (follow the people) will defuse all the factions protesting restrictions. That will leave exposed the remnant of people protesting other things.

 

[Spencer100]

Well those asking for something to be done. They are preparing

Windsor Regional Hospital code orange.

 

[Remius]

I don't think talking to the OPS want is wanted. I think they need a little higher than that.

Given the disjointed messaging, ambiguous leadership and unreasonable requests from the mob I doubt that “Higher” is inclined to discuss.

 

[FJAG]

FYI

Brussels joins Paris in banning Canada-style 'freedom convoys'

The Paris police prefecture said the convoy was an 'undeclared mobilisation', and those taking part risk a two-year prison sentence, a three-year driving ban and a €4,500 fine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Altair]

You're seriously misrepresenting the size and scope of the protests in NZ vs what's going on in Canada.

Also, Ottawa Police have made arrests.

Yes, I'm sure those NZ Police would be trying similar tactics if they had to kettle 400+ 18 wheelers, with children in them.

All it takes is one crazy in an 18 wheeler and we've got a bunch of pancakes in downtown Ottawa:

It's ok though Altair, you're clearly a tactical genius and know better than the professionals

Right, so make up your mind.

Is it police that are going to be cracking skulls or is it going to be protestors trying to run people down?

As for tactical genius, give me a break. The professionals have completely messed this up, top to bottom incompetence.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

FYI

France and Belgium also have a lot more Police than Canada and a history of dealing with this very thing. France has close to 460 police per 100,000, plus they use the Army to protect Federal and high value sites which frees up further police resources.

Canada, by comparion has roughly 185 police per 100,000 people. The Country is also massive compared to France so the effects of that are even more pronounced.

Ottawa itself is even worse, 121 police per 100,000 citizens.

Rate of police officers by municipality in Canada 2023 | Statista

This statistic shows the number of police officers per 100,000 population in Canada in 2023, distinguished by municipality.

www.statista.com

 

[Weinie]

FYI

So restrictions against those complaining about restrictions. Hmmmmmmmm

 

[Altair]

A calm arrest requires cooperation between the parties.

I meant from the side of the police. If people resist and get violent, then that's on them and the police should respond as required.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

So restrictions against those complaining about restrictions. Hmmmmmmmm

Lawyers love Double Negatives or is this a Triple Negative?

@FJAG thoughts