LPC leadership race - 2025

[Halifax Tar]

Political Parties are private clubs, so they can do what they want to keep people in or out. They like it that way but they must know they are very susceptible to manipulation by bad faith actors, foreign and domestic.

They are bound by their constitutions. And of course Canadian law.

I am disappointed to see Ruby go. I think she was a real centrist. And I think she had more support than the LPC was comfortable with.

If you support the Trudeau/Carney vision of the LPC this will all be above board for you. If you don't it won't.

I guess I'm a Freeland or Gould guy now.

 

[Jarnhamar]

@Remius @MilEME09 (and others) sorry I don't mean to sound like I'm sermonizing half the time I post about politics. Hard not to let frustration seep through.

 

[IKnowNothing]

If you support the Trudeau/Carney vision of the LPC this will all be above board for you. If you don't it won't.

I guess I'm a Freeland or Gould guy now.

So the external person that gave some advice here and there over the years (that may or not have followed) perfectly shares Trudeaus vision, but the person who served as the Deputy PM and right hand to Trudeau , and the person who served as his Leader of the House, both of whom were multiple term cabinet ministers, have their hands clean? Makes sense.

Pretty good barometer of how devestatingly effictive Pierre's info machine is on shaping the reality of those that have bought in.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I guess I'm a Freeland or Gould guy now.

I never heard of Gould before this.
I recently seen a clip of her "answering a question". Of course by that I mean she came closer to answering the meaning of life than what was asked.

I've never even seen Freeland or Trudeau dodge that hard. Like watching a train do a 90o turn on 4 feet of track.

 

[Remius]

@Remius (and others) sorry I don't mean to sound like I'm sermonizing every time I post about politics. Hard not to let frustration seep through.

Didn’t take it that way. good back and forth.

 

[Lumber]

I never heard of Gould before this.
I recently seen a clip of her "answering a question". Of course by that I mean she came closer to answering the meaning of life than what was asked.

I've never even seen Freeland or Trudeau dodge that hard. Like watching a train do a 90o turn on 4 feet of track.

She gained that skill in 2016 after spending literally all of 2014 and 2015 declaring how the LPC was ABSOLUTELY going to institute preferential/ranked voting.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So the external person that gave some advice here and there over the years (that may or not have followed) perfectly shares Trudeaus vision, but the person who served as the Deputy PM and right hand to Trudeau , and the person who served as his Leader of the House, both of whom were multiple term cabinet ministers, have their hands clean? Makes sense.

Pretty good barometer of how devestatingly effictive Pierre's info machine is on shaping the reality of those that have bought in.

Freeland won brownie points from me when she finally turned on JT. Just my opinion take from that what you will.

The way I see it Carney is a continuation of Trudeau, and I simply can't support that. If comes down to Carney V a loaf of mould bread I'm voting for the bread.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've never even seen Freeland or Trudeau dodge that hard. Like watching a train do a 90o turn on 4 feet of track.

What did I miss ?

 

[Halifax Tar]

She gained that skill in 2016 after spending literally all of 2014 and 2015 declaring how the LPC was ABSOLUTELY going to institute preferential/ranked voting.

That really pissed me off. I wanted that to be our last FPTP election. They got me hook line and sinker on that one.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Freeland won brownie points from me when she finally turned on JT. Just my opinion take from that what you will.

The way I see it Carney is a continuation of Trudeau, and I simply can't support that. If comes down to Carney V a loaf of mould bread I'm voting for the bread.

But, as I quoted you before, not long ago you identified Carney as the blue grit centrist that the LPC needed to turn to if they wanted a chance.

The only thing that changed in that time is Pierre identifying him as a threat and picking a narrative to engage that threat.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What did I miss ?

The train, obviously.


Naw it wasn't even anything major or serious. Just a super blatant example of her being asked a question and completely ignoring it to "answer" instead one of her pre rehearsed lines.

 

[Halifax Tar]

But, as I quoted you before, not long ago you identified Carney as the blue grit centrist that the LPC needed to turn to if they wanted a chance.

I don't remember you quoting me on that. But I will say from what I have observed he isn't the centerist/blue Liberal that I expected from a guy coming from his back ground and professional experience.

I just rejoined the LPC and I won't be voting for Carney for leadership.

The only thing that changed in that time is Pierre identifying him as a threat and picking a narrative to engage that threat.

Carney is probably the biggest threat to the CPC, if anecdotal public opinions and polling to be believed.

It would only make sense to PP to change his arcs.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The train, obviously.

Huh ?

Naw it wasn't even anything major or serious. Just a super blatant example of her being asked a question and completely ignoring it to "answer" instead one of her pre rehearsed lines.

Okie dokie

 

[IKnowNothing]

I don't remember you quoting me on that. But I will say from what I have observed he isn't the centerist/blue Liberal that I expected from a guy coming from his back ground and professional experience.

Post in thread 'LPC leadership race - 2025' LPC leadership race - 2025

 

[Halifax Tar]

Post in thread 'LPC leadership race - 2025' LPC leadership race - 2025

I posted that in May of 2023. There is some significant distance between then and now. Close to two years.

IMHO he hasn't turned out to be the centerist I expected.

I've been on this site since 2004, I'm sure if you go back and read everything I've posted you'll notice a lot of changes in my view points and opinions.

I used to believe in gun control, I used to believe in MAID, I used to believe we should revert to RN uniforms for JRs in the RCN.

All examples of how my opinion has changed over time.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I posted that in May of 2023. There is some significant distance between then and now.

IMHO he hasn't turned out to be the centerist I expected.

Significant time, but no real signicant action or events by the man.

You thought A.
Now you think B.
Fine, opinions change.

But...
B just happens to be exactly the narrative his primarily political rival -who has shown to be quite effective at shaping the opinion of his base-, has been explicitly trying to implant into the discourse.

Coincidence? How much of B is Halifax Tar vice Pierre Poilievre/Jenni Byrne?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Significant time, but no real signicant action or events by the man.

You thought A.
Now you think B.
Fine, opinions change.

But...
B just happens to be exactly the narrative his primarily political rival -who has shown to be quite effective at shaping the opinion of his base-, has been explicitly trying to implant into the discourse.

Coincidence? How much of B is Halifax Tar vice Pierre Poilievre/Jenni Byrne?

Are you implying that I am incapable of observing and developing my own conclusions ?

 

[IKnowNothing]

Are you implying that I am incapable of observing and developing my own conclusions ?

No, I'm asking you to question the degree to which this particular conclusion was shaped by a specific external influence.

Freeland was literally the deputy PM and Finance Minister for the last 4 years of debacle . Gould is humanities graduate, financially illiterate walking embodiment of left wing unseriousness that is campaigning on expanding EI and instituting UBI, but you'll support them because Pierre says his biggest threat is the boogeyman

 

[ueo]

Freeland won brownie points from me when she finally turned on JT. Just my opinion take from that what you will.

The way I see it Carney is a continuation of Trudeau, and I simply can't support that. If comes down to Carney V a loaf of mould bread I'm voting for the bread.

Your choice, no whining post ex!

 

[Halifax Tar]

No, I'm asking you to question the degree to which this particular conclusion was shaped by a specific external influence.

I'm comfortable with my position, thank you.