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Mobile Support Equipment Operator (MSE Op) [Merged]

I agree NFS, the world of Army Lessons Learned falls under LFDTS's CALLC which could lead to tailoring of training beyond the basics. IMHO, we have not always had great success at learning lessons - we are good observations moreso than lessons learned.  Its Bulletins/Dispatches are their main product. Notably and relevant issues to this thread - inaugural publication Vol 1 - Convoy Operations, then Vol 5 No 1 - Manoeuvrist Approach To Operations and Mission Command, Vol 13 No 1 - Convoy and VIP Escort. 
Link - http://armyapp.dnd.ca/allc-clra/Downloads/dispatches_e.asp
 
Piper said:
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This is what happens when you get cbt arms types in Ottawa (who populate most of the decision making jobs at the land staff) making decisions about CSS. Complete ignorance of how and why we do our jobs. Sigh.

Piper, stop now.  You are way offside. 

What other CF Branch has its very own Strategic Command - CANOSCOM?

Piper said:
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Cbt arms types have no appreciation or understanding of CSS beyond expecting us to be at their beck and call and, of course, to read their minds. You don't see a board of log officers designing a new structure for infantry battalions, so why should a board of infantry officers dictate the needs and structure of a service battalion. There is ZERO understanding of what service battalions do...especially at the CMBG level.

This ignorant characterization is absolutely uncalled for, and untrue.

Piper said:
...It's sad really, the air force is very VERY good at their service and support concept and yet the army, where logistics is (in Afghanistan) quite literally a life or death deal deems itself fit to constantly cut, whittle down and sideline the CSS types.

Perhaps you are thinking of a different air force than the one I have spent the last quarter of a century in.  What is your experience to make such a characterization.

Consider yourself warned now, Piper, to provide factual back up to assertions, vice emotion unfounded statements that are at the very least patently untrue, and worse, are misleading to the general board membership and inciteful to particular groups.

A review of the Milnet.ca Conduct Guidelines is in order, including Mr. Bobbitt's recent comment regarding the requirement to qualify information.

The Milnet.ca Staff
 
dapaterson said:
Borden is not the Army.  The biases of the log branch are clearly communicated by CFSAL, but CFSAL is farther from the real world than any other CF school - it's obsessed with the NDHQ aspects of the trade to the detriment of the real world (in my opinion).

Wow, I say the same thing of CFMSS. Guess that would be my bias. But if what you say is true, you logistical types are truly in a world of hurt.
 
well, thanks for all the answers!!

so now as i said in original part of my question, i am waiting on my fingerprints( i was a bit of a bad boy some years ago), and if everything goes OK i am thinking of maybe asking the recruiting centre if i can maybe switch mse op for armoured, will this be possible?.

thanks again for all responces.
 
supertitanfan1 said:
well, thanks for all the answers!!

so now as i said in original part of my question, i am waiting on my fingerprints( i was a bit of a bad boy some years ago), and if everything goes OK i am thinking of maybe asking the recruiting centre if i can maybe switch mse op for armoured, will this be possible?.

thanks again for all responces.

Yes you can change aslong as you meet the pre-reqs.  Once you sign the contract as a whatever trade than its a bit more of a process, etc.
 
  This was a good little discussion on MSE ops.....I just noticed it and have to say as an MSE op, that I have seen in this trade so far that alot of the guys are passionate and adimate(sp?) about their trade.  There is a fear amongst the truckers...and it is implanted during ql3....that this is possibly a dying trade( why have mse ops when anyone with a 404 can drive??).  So the guys tend to over-emphasize the importance of what mse ops do. 
  I'm sorry to the truckers here, but I call it as I see it.
Ready for the backlash..lol..
 
TangoHotel said:
There is a fear amongst the truckers...and it is implanted during ql3....that this is possibly a dying trade

They were saying that when I joined. Enjoy your trade! NIL SINE LABORE!
 
Hey guys, do you have the scedule for the next few course dates? My buddy showed me the scedule but it was made in jan 09 so it may be out of date ( he used to work at the mega).
I'm sitting here and Monday is week 12 with the Farnham FOB scenario then i'm off to Borden to be an MSE!
 
Hey there soon to be trucker.  Even if there is a course that starts in Jan., that doesn't automatically mean you'll be on it.  You may have to wait out on PAT platoon...( or PRETC?)...  Buddy of mine who just got posted in recently was waiting for 9 months for a course to start! 
  MSE has alot of remusters so it's not just recruits getting all the course spots.
If you have any MSE questions, you can ask, or PM me if you like
Cheers :cdn:
 
Are you in Comox yet?! I bet you are, it's awesome here, we just got here in July.

I don't know about the single quarters but I know there isn't a whole lot of night life. Lots of old folks though.

I hear MSE Ops here have it pretty good. They just sit around and wait for somethin to do!
 
AVN Wife said:
They just sit around and wait for somethin to do!

Yeah. All those fuel trucks drive themselves. The DDC/SBC/RDDC courses teach themselves. In winter, i hear we also have automated SNIC equipment.....i shit you not, no drivers !
 
CDN Aviator said:
Yeah. All those fuel trucks drive themselves. The DDC/SBC/RDDC courses teach themselves. In winter, i hear we also have automated SNIC equipment.....i shit you not, no drivers !

Whoa... when this happen? I want in on this! My troops also would love this gig! Look out Comox!!! Here I come!
 
mover1 said:
I am lumped in with Transport just because I am. I am not a trucker, I don't want to be a trucker, I don't even like sharing the same space as truckers I am a proud tradesman and I would have this view even if I were working in the supply organisation. But what I would like to address is attitude.


There are a lot of what we call "Trucker Commandos" posted on this airforce base. Harder than Hard Army wannabe types who remind us everyday on how soft we are, all the while they stuff their face with a hand full of chips in the canteen.

And then there are the professional drivers. Who know their stuff and are very turned on no matter what element they serve or what environment they placed in.

Remember that while you are in a purple trade DEU matters not. After all its only the color of a hat or the cut of the cloth when on parade. We are all given the same standard of training and its up to the individual on how much of this info they retain and how they react to the situations they are placed or how they portray themselves professionally

We all know that at one point of our careers we will be expected to serve for an element that we are not used to. Whether it be an Army tasking where you are expected to solder on. Or an Airforce/ Navy position where life becomes a little more trivial.  All I ask it that you be prepared for anything. Don't ***** when you are suddenly given a rifle and told to use it. Keep yourself in shape. On the same note, relax when given the chance soak up all the experience you can whether it be sweeping snow off a runway. Refuelling planes/tanks/staff cars.

MSE OP is a very good trade to get into and its is one where the skill sets they give you are very easily transferred on civvy street its diverse enough that you can go to any base and do any number of jobs.
Good Luck to all those that choose it as their career. Hope to see you all darken my doors sometimes.

Thanks Mover!  Coming from a 933, that means a lot to me.  See you on the ramp!

Regards, BYTD


CDN Aviator said:
Yeah. All those fuel trucks drive themselves. The DDC/SBC/RDDC courses teach themselves. In winter, i hear we also have automated SNIC equipment.....i crap you not, no drivers !
Thanks for the backup on that one.  Obviously an Aviator who's waited for us to either do our job so you can land or get flying! 
:salute:
 
AVN Wife said:
I hear MSE Ops here have it pretty good. They just sit around and wait for somethin to do!

Now where would you get an idea like that? it's only the GPV that do that ha!
seriously  GPV can be slow but there is usually something to do a couple times a week.
I"m sure people in refulling have more to do, but ask Pte. Bill about that one.
SPV usuallly are busy on the airfield.

People say Comox is slow but i've done just as much other things as i have MSE stuff in the short time i've been here. Including 9mm for some reason.
 
Hey Guys,
I am currently a naval reservist who has a tranfer in for Firefighter. I know this trade is highly competitive and keeping a realistic mindset, I am looking for other trades as a second option.
MSE op is something that interests me, I was just wondering what the working conditions are like, what the shifts are and how often you can expect different postings. Any other details would be appreciated.

Also if you are an Air Force MSE op, will you primarily be based at an air force base? Or can you request to be sent to an army unit for overseas deployment at somepoint in your career?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott
 
MSE Ops are a "purple" trade, meaning regardless of what DEU you wear, you can be posted to any base.  People often go on deployments from other bases, not just "Army" bases.  Yes, you can request postings, but the CF will send you where they need you.
 
Mtl432 said:
Also if you are an Air Force MSE op, will you primarily be based at an air force base? Or can you request to be sent to an army unit for overseas deployment at somepoint in your career?

A lot of the truckers in 1 Service are of the Air Force type, they dig in as much as the next guy.

Hope this helps.
 
There's a few threads here that cover the MSE Op trade.
Shift work doesn't start unless you're in Refueling or Heavy Equipment, which you won't get until you're done your OJT 4 package and show that you can operate and not just drive.
It doesn't matter what DEU you are, you go anywhere they want you...lots of AF types on Army bases and Army types on Wings.
Hope that helps.
:piper:
 
Hello,

I have a question in regards to MOBILE SUPPORT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR (MSE OP). I really took an interest to this trade and I am wondering if anyone knows if they are hiring? I have an open application with the CF for another trade (SIG OP) however I really want MSE OP after researching it. Is it a simple process to add MSE OP ``if`` they are hiring? I have been merit listed for SIG OP however like I said I want MSE OP, if they are hiring would I have to do other kinds of tests or would I be directly merit listed?

I am 18 years old
73% high school average
( Past everything in recruitment process)
couldnt find what I wanted to here is a new thread.
 
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