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[MilEME09]

Finally saying what we all know

Carson Binda: Bungled procurement hurts taxpayers and the Canadian Armed Forces

Military brass is overpaying for the procurement of everything from warships and fighter jets to pickup trucks and sleeping bags

nationalpost.com

 

[KevinB]

Finally saying what we all know

Carson Binda: Bungled procurement hurts taxpayers and the Canadian Armed Forces

Military brass is overpaying for the procurement of everything from warships and fighter jets to pickup trucks and sleeping bags

nationalpost.com

It’s a badly written and articulated article though.
The CSC costs also include the costs of rebuilding the Canadian Shipbuilding industry, as the UK hadn’t let that happen, so it’s not apples and oranges.

The F-35 costs include a lot of infrastructure that hadn’t originally been included for the 66 planes - so again not apples to apples, but I will agree the delays did not help the costing.

No arguments on the trucks etc.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

It’s a badly written and articulated article though.
The CSC costs also include the costs of rebuilding the Canadian Shipbuilding industry, as the UK hadn’t let that happen, so it’s not apples and oranges.

The F-35 costs include a lot of infrastructure that hadn’t originally been included for the 66 planes - so again not apples to apples, but I will agree the delays did not help the costing.

No arguments on the trucks etc.

It would soften the blown with more complex procurements having delays or cost overruns, if we didn't fuck up the simplest of procurements regularly and often.

Trucks, sleeping bags, uniforms, boots, fighting order, helmets, etc. are all items Canada produces in large quantities for other nations, with no catastrophic failure or compromise. It should be as simple as walking into Revision or whomever and saying "this, but in CADPAT(MT)."

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The one that always got me was uniforms. If a military cannot provide uniforms to all, in full scale, on the first day they step into the job at training facilities, it has failed to show it is serious about defending the country as far as I am concerned.

We should have uniforms coming out of the wazoo (as the expression goes). Enough for twice the number of authorized strength, just in case rapid expansion is required.

We should be able to take anyone walking off the bus at training facilities and, regardless of command (RCN, CA, RCAF), issue them immediately with three sets of CADPAT, a CADPAT raincoat, a CADPAT winter jacket, a beret as appropriate and two sets of their element Service Dress. With completion of full issue, to scale, of Service Dress and extra combat uniforms, as applicable to the member's element and trade, issued upon completion of basic training. There should only be an insignificant number of special cases.

For me, not being able to do that is an indication of incompetent procurement or operation of the supply system.

P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Now if only Alberta could export dilbit.....

or crude ...

or WCS (TM is a start).

There was a proposal to ship biscuits of dilbet to Prince Rupert, don't know if anything came of that?

Update on Woodfibre LNG 2024: A Year of Firsts on the Woodfibre LNG Project | Woodfibre LNG

 

[Kirkhill]

There was a proposal to ship biscuits of dilbet to Prince Rupert, don't know if anything came of that?

Update on Woodfibre LNG 2024: A Year of Firsts on the Woodfibre LNG Project | Woodfibre LNG

That one I liked. But to be honest, if the secret to safe transport of hydrocarbons is to solidify them then why not just ship coal?

Gasify the coal and scrub it at the customer's end.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The one that always got me was uniforms. If a military cannot provide uniforms to all, in full scale, on the first day they step into the job at training facilities, it has failed to show it is serious about defending the country as far as I am concerned.

We should have uniforms coming out of the wazoo (as the expression goes). Enough for twice the number of authorized strength, just in case rapid expansion is required.

We should be able to take anyone walking off the bus at training facilities and, regardless of command (RCN, CA, RCAF), issue them immediately with three sets of CADPAT, a CADPAT raincoat, a CADPAT winter jacket, a beret as appropriate and two sets of their element Service Dress. With completion of full issue, to scale, of Service Dress and extra combat uniforms, as applicable to the member's element and trade, issued upon completion of basic training. There should only be an insignificant number of special cases.

For me, not being able to do that is an indication of incompetent procurement or operation of the supply system.

P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger.

I like how the Yanks do it. Everyone gets an initial issue, after it's on your dime.

It's actually both, it's poor contacting at the LCMM level and poor SC management, again at the LCMM level.

 

[CountDC]

P.S.: I know it is not necessarily everyone's view, but IMHO, every serving member should have some CADPAT uniform for those occasions that call for it. Besides, having it issued from the start with an expectation that you will have them already when it becomes needed (range day, aid to civil powers, deployment with army units for specific purposes, etc.) would be an incentive for more senior members to maintain that svelte figure they had when they joined, so they don't need to go to stores in a hurry and try and explain why they suddenly need four sizes bigger.

Like most but can't really agree that everyone should have cadpat for those occasions that call for it. Over 10 years of storing army kit I don't use as the only occasions it is needed for is if I serve at an army unit and go on a field ex that actually has me in the field. Last ex I went on about 7 or 8 years ago I was in quarters so didn't actually need the purple cadpat (yep, I have those). My NECU and NCDs have served perfectly for everything else. A large number of navy will have no need for it so it is a waste of time and kit to issue it to them. Issue on as needed basis is fine.

 

[Kirkhill]

Like most but can't really agree that everyone should have cadpat for those occasions that call for it. Over 10 years of storing army kit I don't use as the only occasions it is needed for is if I serve at an army unit and go on a field ex that actually has me in the field. Last ex I went on about 7 or 8 years ago I was in quarters so didn't actually need the purple cadpat (yep, I have those). My NECU and NCDs have served perfectly for everything else. A large number of navy will have no need for it so it is a waste of time and kit to issue it to them. Issue on as needed basis is fine.

Isn't that what the slop chest is for?