Problems with Canadian Military I.D.?

[Petard]

What?? I've met you!! And you still don't look a day over 21. How could this have happened years ago?? 

Vern, you sweetie, just for that, next time if I meet up with you in a watering hole somewhere, and you coin me, I won't even take mine out.

 

[TCBF]

... but I managed to charm my way through there too. ...

- This website must have a "Charm Filter" built into it then!  We should see if we can disable it...

;D

- Just kidding.  I actually enjoyed your tale.

 

[Ex Ranger Instructor]

Here's a weird thing that happened to me at the Canex in Kingston a while back:

I went in to buy a pack of smokes and presented my BC drivers' license when the clerk carded me.  She said there was no way she could sell me the cigarettes.  I asked why.  She said that she could only accept Ontario-issued ID.  I hauled out my military ID, and after a while she finally accepted that, but only begrudgingly.  She seemed to think that it was a rule imposed by the government of Ontario: Ontario ID only, and if you don't have it then TS.  Now obviously that isn't the case, but there was no convincing her otherwise at the time.

Another thing that happened near Kingston:

A buddy of mine and I went to the Casino in Gananoque one weekend.  He had a Saskatchewan drivers' license.  The security guard at the door took one look at it, announced that it was a fake ID, and told my buddy that he was confiscating it.  We ended up having to call the cops in order to get the dude's license back, and even after the cops showed up and returned his license the security guy still wouldn't let us in.

What I take from those two instances is that it's all about the individual you're dealing with.  You get a moron behind the counter, you're going to have problems no matter what.

 

[Rusty_Poth]

I have used my retirement card in Vegas!

We went to Madame Touseau's (Sp?) in the Venetian and it was Veterans/Rememberance day and they were allowing former and current military in for free or half price or something to that effect, anywayI asked if it applied to Canadians and of course they had to get the manager but they accepted it after some discussion, I said that the sign never mentioned anything about foriegn military.....

 

[Mattd]

I am on leave at the moment in Ontario and I was at The Beer Store yesterday to purchase some beer and I was asked to provide some I.D. The only piece of identification I had on me at the time was my military I.D. I handed it over to the cashier and he looked puzzled then pulled out a booklet with all different forms of I.D. in it. To my surprise there was no information on my card in the booklet and then he handed the I.D. back to me and said "sorry sir I cannot serve you" and that really frustrated me. I left the store embarrassed and ended up having my mother buy me the beer I desired. I was wondering if there is anyone else that has had a similar experience regarding people not acknowledging military I.D. as a valid form of identification. How much humiliation does a guy have to take? :-[

Hello Jimmy C and everyone else who may read this.

I actually work as alcohol enforcement for major events in Toronto (Rogers Centre - Baseball, Concerts, Football, etc). In direct response to The Beer Store incident do not blame the clerk, the manager, or The Beer Store. The problem is the actual book that was used to check (it is one standard book used everywhere). The book has the Canadian Armed Forces ID pictured wrong in two different versions of the book. The first error was that the Canadian Armed Force ID was listed as an United States Military ID, so the index of the book never actually listed the Canadian Armed Forces ID. This was later "fixed" in an updated version of the book; The book listed the Canadian Armed Forces ID in the "fixed" version with the wrong ID colour. This issue has been present for over a year now.

Unless the person actually has seen a Canadian Military ID badge before from a friend, family member, or general research I do not think they would know what it looks like. This happens once a day with with any event that is going on in the Rogers Centre. Please, everyone please do not take offense if buying alcohol and you get a funny look when presenting your ID. I hope this post has shed some light on why The Beer Store may have acted in the way they did.

Edit: Just seen this.

That was one thing I found frustrating was that the booklet was a 2007 copy so I thought that the military I.D. would have been in there.

Yes the book says 2007 however it is an exact copy of the 2006 book before the attempted fix that was later released. I will look in the book tomorrow at work, in the hopes of getting more information back to everyone.

 

[Private Parts]

Are not the Beer Stores in Ontario independently owned and operated??

Sort of.  From http://www.thebeerstore.ca/AboutUs/Corporate.asp:

The Beer Store is owned by three Ontario brewers: Labatt, Molson and Sleeman. While the company is private, the nature of the industry means that laws and regulations impact our business. As a result, The Beer Store maintains a close working relationship with the Government of Ontario through the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) and the Ministry of Consumer and Business Services. Through these agencies, the Ontario Government regulates issues such as minimum age for purchase, hours of sale, selling price, labeling and product integrity, and approval of store locations.

 

[CADPAT SOLDIER]

I once knew of a man who bought his beer underage with his military ID, that in fact stated his actual birthday, but because the date was so hard to find and that pretty litle girl at the counter was so easy to fool it always worked.
"Where's the birthday"
"its military ID, you have to be 18 to be in the military"
"Ohhh, ok"

 

[Strike]

with the wrong ID colour

There are several different colours to DND ID, depending on if the person is military, non-, retired, etc.  Perhaps those who make up the book should get a copy of the poster the commissionaires have in their roosts and use it as a reference.

 

[Sig_Des]

I once knew of a man who bought his beer underage with his military ID, that in fact stated his actual birthday, but because the date was so hard to find and that pretty litle girl at the counter was so easy to fool it always worked.
"Where's the birthday"
"its military ID, you have to be 18 to be in the military"
"Ohhh, ok"

So basically, fraudulently using military documents for illegally obtaining alcohol while a minor.

 

[Command-Sense-Act 105]

Des, I think you're just upset you never thought of that line before... ;D

 

[Sig_Des]

Des, I think you're just upset you never thought of that line before... ;D

Nah, I was legal when I joined. I had to obtain my alcohol different ways 

 

[TN2IC]

I once knew of a man who bought his beer underage with his military ID, that in fact stated his actual birthday, but because the date was so hard to find and that pretty litle girl at the counter was so easy to fool it always worked.
"Where's the birthday"
"its military ID, you have to be 18 to be in the military"
"Ohhh, ok"

I would "NEVER" done that!  :

 

[TN2IC]

Nah, I was legal when I joined. I had to obtain my alcohol different ways 

Ok.. telling the Mess bartender, it's on the RSM's tab doesn't work either.  ;D

Now Commanding Officer.. that's a different story.

 

[Private Parts]

Have a look at para 6:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/cmj/sentence/2002/2002ecm068.s.pdf

 

[Mattd]

Hey guys and gals I'm back with an update!

First sorry that I did not post about it yesterday like I said I would, but I had to do more research and confirm my answers.

The 2006 ID book used (North American IDs book name) does not have the Canadian Military IDs in it. An update was released that would see the addition of the Canadian Forces ID cards in it. To my surprise the company did not inform major buyers of this error, and charge for the extra pages. That I find to be totally unacceptable as it was the error of the company who makes the book to exclude Canadian Forces ID cards from their book. I learned that information in the previous line when I informed my manager that Canadian Forces ID was not in the 2006 ID book. He did not believe me at first, but when he looked through the book and could not find it he went ape shit.

That brings us to today, the 2007 book contains the same error of no Canadian Forces ID in the book. Upon seeing that my Manager (from above) went ape shit again. After a day of researching we finally where able to acquire blank copies of the Canadian Military Active Member ID card (Plastic version and Paper Laminated version). So I am happy to say that the Rogers Centre now has copies one piece of Military ID at every Beer Pump in the building. I know its not much in the grand scale of things, but I think its a small victory now knowing that our Troops won't be embarrassed any longer at the Rogers Centre now.

 

[geo]

Considering that our current ID cards look just like the COSTCO membership cards...... what's the point?

the old CAFIB20 used to be laminated in plastic & had a tamperproof signature block as protection.  Our current one has no security

 

[Greymatters]

This is quite an interesting thread.  Are fake ID cards such a significant problem in Ontario that they need a book to check which ones are real? 

 

[geo]

with drinking age in Quebec is 18 and Ontario's is 21, there are some who decry the unfairness of it all.

 

[PMedMoe]

with drinking age in Quebec is 18 and Ontario's is 21, there are some who decry the unfairness of it all.

Ontario's drinking age is 19: See Para 4

 

[geo]

heh.... still one year younger in Quebec.
Ontario kids that live near the border can appreciate the difference and find ways to beat the system