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Times up - is he banned yet, or does he [edit] have [/edit] an interesting explanation?
Edit: For a forgotten word.
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Scott said:...
God Save the Queen and Scott Ban the Trolls.
Piper said:Well that was interesting. I'm surprised this site only attracts such a small number of trolls and idiots, although they do provide excellent entertainment when they start posting.
Torlyn said:Speaking of Trolls... :
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As for the oath, I hope none of you would honor it beyond your better judgement.
muskrat89 said:Clarify?
I would refuse what I would consider an illegal order
R0B said:Being an officer and 27-years-old, you should know better than to jump to conclusions.
R0B said:I mean that the oath should not be taken too literally. I would refuse what I would consider an illegal order even if it came straight from the mouth of the queen and the governor general.
I may have declared that I bare “true allegiance to her majesty,” but in fact I do not because my loyalty to Canada and the queen is by no means unlimited and exists only in good faith.
redleafjumper said:Well Rob, rather than accusing Torlyn of "jumping to conclusions" you might consider studying some history and political science with a bit of philosophy to go along with your BSc, which by the way, is not an MOC. In my opinion, your comment makes you a very real candidate as a troll.
redleafjumper said:The comment itself is quite insulting to anyone who has ever taken the oath to enroll or enlist in Her Majesty's Canadian Armed forces, or for that matter, any oath. If an oath was against my better judgement, I wouldn't take it. Some of us take our oaths seriously, and that in turn means that our "word" is worth something.
redleafjumper said:As for an illegal order, that has very little to do with your oath. As at least one respected poster once wrote, "...the Queen made you an officer, so that you know when to disobey orders."
muskrat89 said:As is the perogative (no, duty) of any Canadian soldier.. that's nothing compelling :
Methinks you are just trying to sound outrageous (troll), or you really have no clue what you are talking about...
Torlyn said:You took a jab at my Supreme Commander, and given that she's 80 years old, and a little pre-occupied at the moment, I responded on her behalf. :
If you insult my men, anyone in my CoC, or my commision, I haven't jumped to conclusions. You've led me there.
Roy Harding said:Tell you what, Rob - if you reply to this I'll give you a million dollars (but don't take that too literally). Guess I can't be trusted, huh?
Good for you that you would refuse an illegal order - the Queen rules through the rule of law - that's the way it works, glad to see that you figured that out. If you have, indeed, taken the oath then your liability is, indeed, "unlimited". Just ask any of the thousands who have given their all for their loyalty to Canada and the Queen.
You're missing the point, bub - if you CAN'T take the oath, then DON'T.
I have no problem with folks who have "republican" leanings and say so, regardless I disagree with them. I have one HELL of a problem with those who take an oath under false pretenses - they are pretenders and cannot be trusted.
I note that your profile says nothing about military experience or hope for such in the future - great - you wouldn't fit in well with that great organization known as Her Majesty's Canadian Forces - where a man means what he says.
An individual soldier cannot conclusively determine the legality of an order. They can, however, determine the morality of an order based on their own personal values, and I would refuse to act immorally.
R0B said:An individual soldier cannot conclusively determine the legality of an order
R0B said:No person of government deserves unlimited loyalty.
An individual soldier cannot conclusively determine the legality of an order. They can, however, determine the morality of an order based on their own personal values, and I would refuse to act immorally. This nation and the British monarch are not infallible entities.
R0B said:Captain, don’t tell me you’ve never gone back on your word. I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who never gone back on their word, and if you could I’m sure it’s only because they’ve never been given ample reason to do so.
In 1934, the German Army was forced to swear allegiance to Adolf Hitler, and at the time, that might not have seemed so repulsive an idea.
The fact of the matter is that things change, and as a result, I would never swear or declare an oath of fealty to anything other than an ideal or abstract concept.
No, you jumped to conclusions because you concluded that I was a troll.