Replacing the Subs

[YZT580]

If we're going to have a FOB for Naval Forces in Europe my suggestion would be Souda Bay, Crete.

Get the yanks to give us some square footage at NAS Souda Bay and push forward some stores and Log and Eng pers.

and every boat would have to traverse the length of the Med. plus the length of Europe before reaching its patrol area. Italy, France, Spain and Turkey have the Med. sewed up for coverage, I would think that the North Atlantic and Scandinavia would be our major operating area. Wouldn't Faslane be a more appropriate location?

 

[calculus]

Portuguese sub conducts under-ice operations. An interesting read, especially in light of what we are hearing our next generation of subs will be expected to do. Note this is hardly a state-of-the-art submarine.

Portugal’s First Under-ice Patrol Demonstrated Importance for NATO of Conventional Submarine Operations in Arctic - Naval News

The Portuguese Navy’s first deployment of a submarine to the Arctic – and under the Arctic ice – earlier in 2024 demonstrated...

www.navalnews.com

 

[KevinB]

In the latter instance, the boat spent four days under the ice, the navy added. Capt Pereira said deployments like Arpão’s were operationally significant in the region.

I’m not overly impressed by 4 days (and it is less than that as that includes entry and exit from the ice shelf area) during the summer.

 

[Czech_pivo]

In the latter instance, the boat spent four days under the ice, the navy added. Capt Pereira said deployments like Arpão’s were operationally significant in the region.

I’m not overly impressed by 4 days (and it is less than that as that includes entry and exit from the ice shelf area) during the summer.

I wonder what that sub's operational availability is on a yearly basis? Over its existing life span?

 

[Sub Standard]

Portuguese sub conducts under-ice operations. An interesting read, especially in light of what we are hearing our next generation of subs will be expected to do. Note this is hardly a state-of-the-art submarine.

Portugal’s First Under-ice Patrol Demonstrated Importance for NATO of Conventional Submarine Operations in Arctic - Naval News

The Portuguese Navy’s first deployment of a submarine to the Arctic – and under the Arctic ice – earlier in 2024 demonstrated...

www.navalnews.com

Interesting article, the CO of WINDSOR was a rider on that trip. (third from the right in the picture of crew on the bridge)

 

[Czech_pivo]

there is supposed to be a Canadian/SK meeting/announcement tomorrow i think

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Media Registration – Canadian and Korean defence and foreign ministers to meet in Ottawa - Canada.ca

October 28, 2024 – The Honourable, Mélanie Joly, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and The Honourable, Bill Blair, Minister of National Defence, will meet with Republic of Korea Foreign Minister Cho Tae-yul and Minister of National Defence Kim Yong-hyun to deepen our close cooperation and work...

www.canada.ca

Waiting to read about the outcome of this meeting. Nothing posted at the Foreign Ministry site or on the Twitter (X) accounts on either the Foreign Minister or Defense Minister's accounts

 

[deepblue202]

Waiting to read about the outcome of this meeting. Nothing posted at the Foreign Ministry site or on the Twitter (X) accounts on either the Foreign Minister or Defense Minister's accounts

I found this link to what they talked about

https://www.miragenews.com/canada-south-korea-2-2-ministerial-meeting-1349472/

 

[AmmoTech90]

This but is a bit puzzling.

The relationship between our two nations dates back centuries

 

[Furniture]

and every boat would have to traverse the length of the Med. plus the length of Europe before reaching its patrol area. Italy, France, Spain and Turkey have the Med. sewed up for coverage, I would think that the North Atlantic and Scandinavia would be our major operating area. Wouldn't Faslane be a more appropriate location?

If we bought the same boats as the Poles, and both countries left everything but the hotel services the same, it would make a lot of sense to base Canadian subs in Poland as a forward staging area.

If we buy different subs than the Poles, and Faslane has the space, it would make the most sense there. Since Scotland theoretically speaks English, and it puts us in a place with less choke points to bottle our subs in.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

What choke point is there in front of Halifax? And if the Halifax approaches are considered a choke point, then Faslane is a lot more of a choke point.

 

[Furniture]

What choke point is there in front of Halifax? And if the Halifax approaches are considered a choke point, then Faslane is a lot more of a choke point.

I assume you're responding to me... and I was referring to a theoretical Baltic port in Poland, and the channels to get out of the Baltic as choke points.

The whole point was forward staging areas... Not commentary on the two Canadian naval bases.

 

[suffolkowner]

Special Report: Under the Ice and Into the Future, Strengthening Canada’s Submarine Capabilities

Canada faces an urgent need to modernize its submarine fleet, particularly with under-ice capabilities, to maintain strategic autonomy and meet its international obligations. Public Service and Procurement Canada (PSPC) must urgently fast-track the acquisition of under-the-ice capable submarines...

www.natoassociation.ca

another look at the subs

 

[Halifax Tar]

and every boat would have to traverse the length of the Med. plus the length of Europe before reaching its patrol area. Italy, France, Spain and Turkey have the Med. sewed up for coverage, I would think that the North Atlantic and Scandinavia would be our major operating area. Wouldn't Faslane be a more appropriate location?

The RCN almost always has a deployed presence in the Mediterranean. Its also the transit route for the East Coast to the Persian Gulf and east coast of Africa.

Northern Europe is already well supported and easy to get to. We also already have an OSH in Germany.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting article, the CO of WINDSOR was a rider on that trip. (third from the right in the picture of crew on the bridge)

He has been a target of the CAF meme pages as of late.

 

[Maxman1]

He has been a target of the CAF meme pages as of late.

I think he's been supplanted by the now former moderator of the subreddit.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think he's been supplanted by the now former moderator of the subreddit.

I dont reddit but I did notice that... No idea about that situation.

 

[YZT580]

The RCN almost always has a deployed presence in the Mediterranean. Its also the transit route for the East Coast to the Persian Gulf and east coast of Africa.

Northern Europe is already well supported and easy to get to. We also already have an OSH in Germany.

true but isn't the primary reason to show the flag in support? Hard to fulfill that role when you are attempting to remain invisible? I can perhaps see a Cdn sub being deployed to the Med. for training during an all-nation NATO exercise but not as part of a routine patrol> Italy is planning 8 subs for its 7500 km coastline. As pointed out in this thread previously, our Atlantic coastline by itself is 5 times that length or 42000 km. and, if we purchase 12 boats that gives us 4 per ocean or one on patrol at any given time. I can't see us being able to afford the luxury of showing the flag with a boat that will never be seen if they do their job right

 

[Colin Parkinson]

true but isn't the primary reason to show the flag in support? Hard to fulfill that role when you are attempting to remain invisible? I can perhaps see a Cdn sub being deployed to the Med. for training during an all-nation NATO exercise but not as part of a routine patrol> Italy is planning 8 subs for its 7500 km coastline. As pointed out in this thread previously, our Atlantic coastline by itself is 5 times that length or 42000 km. and, if we purchase 12 boats that gives us 4 per ocean or one on patrol at any given time. I can't see us being able to afford the luxury of showing the flag with a boat that will never be seen if they do their job right

Canada did have a Victoria Class in the Med for a 6 month patrol

 

[Halifax Tar]

true but isn't the primary reason to show the flag in support? Hard to fulfill that role when you are attempting to remain invisible? I can perhaps see a Cdn sub being deployed to the Med. for training during an all-nation NATO exercise but not as part of a routine patrol> Italy is planning 8 subs for its 7500 km coastline. As pointed out in this thread previously, our Atlantic coastline by itself is 5 times that length or 42000 km. and, if we purchase 12 boats that gives us 4 per ocean or one on patrol at any given time. I can't see us being able to afford the luxury of showing the flag with a boat that will never be seen if they do their job right

We want 12 Subs so we can push them out to places like the Med and the Pacific. Not to park them in front of the entrance to Halifax and Victoria.

A Naval support establishment in Souda Bay would be for more than just Subs.

In infrastructure is already there. We just need to want to take a bigger role.

 

[suffolkowner]

We want 12 Subs so we can push them out to places like the Med and the Pacific. Not to park them in front of the entrance to Halifax and Victoria.

A Naval support establishment in Souda Bay would be for more than just Subs.

In infrastructure is already there. We just need to want to take a bigger role.

why do we want to do that?