Replacing the Subs

[YZT580]

I have a hard time buying this as a serious proposal, given how the Germans and Norwegians have 6 and 4 boats of that class already ordered respectively. That isn't even considering the 3 and 2 additional boats likely to be added to the previously mentioned orders by those nations respectively. Then you have nations like Poland who are looking at the Type 212CD as well at the same time we are.

Where is the room there for Canada to receive its 12 boats? I don't see it in the slightest. Even if they let us jump into the queue somewhere to alternate deliveries, Canada is getting the larger Type 212CDE variant and Topshee wants the first boat delivered by the early 2030's now as far as I know. Sounds like the Germans are biting off more than they can chew to me and are hoping to snag Canada, only to slow roll us after some initial concessions.

Logistically I can see them fitting us in for one, either the 3rd or4th hull off the line but their own navies would be screaming if you got any more than that until they had sufficient boats on line to become operational. My guess anyway

 

[DBNSG]

Logistically I can see them fitting us in for one, either the 3rd or4th hull off the line but their own navies would be screaming if you got any more than that until they had sufficient boats on line to become operational. My guess anyway

Or perhaps Canada gets boat 4 and 5 but we keep # 5 in Europe as part of a training cadre for say three years until boats 8 and so on get built.

 

[Underway]

Honestly the 212CD big flaw is that it doesn't have the range or endurance. Its a North Sea and Baltic boat. Other than that its great. We need an ocean going vessel here, not coastal defence submarine. (yes I'm overstating the point but that's what the internet if for.)

 

[stoker dave]

I appreciate the enthusiasm here for new submarines and the technical insight.

However, I would consider your timelines highly optimistic. Even once a design and builder have been selected, I might have thought the procurement process might still take several years to consider commercial terms and conditions, ownership of intellectual property, specifications, oversight, etc. That is, the procurement and legal processes are not quick.

 

[GR66]

I appreciate the enthusiasm here for new submarines and the technical insight.

However, I would consider your timelines highly optimistic. Even once a design and builder have been selected, I might have thought the procurement process might still take several years to consider commercial terms and conditions, ownership of intellectual property, specifications, oversight, etc. That is, the procurement and legal processes are not quick.

 

[Underway]

I appreciate the enthusiasm here for new submarines and the technical insight.

However, I would consider your timelines highly optimistic. Even once a design and builder have been selected, I might have thought the procurement process might still take several years to consider commercial terms and conditions, ownership of intellectual property, specifications, oversight, etc. That is, the procurement and legal processes are not quick.

You are not wrong, however speed is of the essence here, and frankly I think that's the overriding requirement. How fast can we get these boats in the water. And this is where Korea is the winner. They can have the first boats in the water in no time relatively speaking and are willing to tech transfer just about everything.