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Reserve Pension- Merged

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/cheque-backlogs-delay-reservists-pension-payouts/article28095542/

Doug Jost was warned to put three months worth of paycheques into a savings account before he retired last June from his job as a full-time reservist with the Royal Canadian Navy. Defence Department bureaucrats told him it could take up to 12 weeks to collect his first pension cheque.

More than six months later, as he contemplates the looming possibility of bankruptcy and the fact that he cannot provide for his school-aged children, Mr. Jost says he wishes the 12-week prediction had proved true. The 48-year-old former lieutenant – who spent 25 years in the Navy, some of them with the reserves and some with the regular force – has yet to receive his first pension cheque.

“I guess I can hang on another month or so,” Mr. Jost said. But “I am in quite a precarious financial situation.”

Mr. Jost acknowledges that he is a young retiree. But he said he found the morale in the Navy slipping in recent years and, after a quarter century of military life, he figured it was time to move on. The fact that he was entitled to a pension made his decision easy.

He retired to Quebec City because that is where his former spouse’s family lives – the two share custody of their children, who are 9 and 12. But employment opportunities for anglophones in the Quebec capital are limited and, despite constant searching, he has been unable to find a job. Without his pension money, his finances have run dry.

The Auditor-General examined the Reserve Force Pension Plan in 2011, four years after it was first introduced, and found that it had been implemented without adequate planning. That created significant backlogs, the Auditor-General said, both in the processing of the claims of retired reservists and in determining how much each one would be required to pay – to compensate for the years before the pension plan came into effect and contributions were not being made.

Despite promises by DND that more staff would be hired to deal with the problems, the Defence ombudsman says excessive delays in the processing of reservists’ pensions persist.

“Although the department has made improvements in this matter, we have been and remain concerned for the well-being of our constituents,” the ombudsman’s office said Friday. “This office continues to monitor the situation and is aware it remains an issue. We have recently requested an update from the Canadian Armed Forces.”

DND officials said in an e-mail on Friday that the department has addressed many of the issues highlighted in the Auditor-General’s report, including hiring new staff.

“There are very good reasons for Mr. Jost’s pension to be delayed,” they said. “Mr. Jost is aware of these reasons. Due to privacy concerns, we cannot discuss any details of his particular case.”

But Mr. Jost said there are no special circumstances about his case – other than the fact that he was a reservist – that would cause his pension cheque to be delayed.

It took 3 1/2 months for the Defence Department to audit his file, he said, and it wasn’t until October that he was told how much he owed for the years before 2007 when the plan was not in effect and he was not paying into it. The department would not start to calculate that amount until after he had retired, Mr. Jost said.

He said he is aware of others in his situation. A friend of his who was also a reservist retired in May and did not get a pension cheque until December. And, Mr. Jost said, when he has discussed the case with DND officials, he has been told that some reservists have had to wait two or three years for their pensions. When asked if that is true, the Defence officials said: “Unfortunately, we cannot provide a response at this time.”

Had Mr. Jost retired from another government department, he would likely have received his first payment by mid-summer.

According to the Department of Public Works, the standard for getting a first pension cheque to a retired member of the public service is 30 to 45 days, and that standard is met 97 per cent of the time.

Irene Mathyssen, the NDP critic for veterans’ affairs, said Mr. Jost’s situation is too common among reservists and it is time for the Liberal government – which is aware of both the Auditor-General’s report and the concerns of the Defence ombudsman – to do something about it.

“For someone to try to scramble on nothing for six months is just not acceptable,” Ms. Mathyssen said. “It’s been my experience that kids don’t give up eating for six months. They get very cranky about that.”

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SupersonicMax said:
Unacceptable.

They're pretty upfront with you at the SCAN seminars about this. In fact it could be longer if you accidentally select SRR with your release papers.  Some reserves me included have many years of full time service and when we decide to retire we will depend on a timely pension cheque to be able to live. Its not like we could take out severance and live on that anymore. You would figure this would have been straightened out by now.
 
I don't understand why our department has to make everything so bloody difficult.  Everyone else seems to be able to accomplish things in a timely fashion but the CAF. 
 
If anyone knows how to get a hold of Mr. Doug Jost....

I was apparently the first to get the Reserve Pension. If you read the past posts you will see all the problems I had including my discovering in 2014 that they lost a $55,000 payment from 2007.

Since I transferred all my RRSP's (& elected to do the same for severance pay) as required by CRA, I was left with little until I got a pension cheque as you cannot collect UI.

CRA date 5 Aug 07. In Dec 07 I "demanded" an advance cheque from Pension Services, and did so for several months until I received a pension. Also no Med or Den plan until pension received.

As the gov't had 6 figures of my funds there was no risk for PS to issue an advance cheque.

Try that if the gov't has your funds as pay back of the pension.
 
Was chatting with a Chief I sailed with who retired last month and started with the PS straight afterwards.  His last day was 3 Dec 15, he received his first pension payment on 11 Jan 15. 

One thing he did with his documents was he included a hand written note asking the auditors to telephone him to let him know if all was in order or not.  They called him on 21 Dec and gave him the thumbs up.  He said it's a good idea to give them that option as if you leave it otherwise they will contact you via mail, which is slow and inefficient.  Also, he said it doesn't matter how much lead time you give them on your expected date, they won't check jack until you're out.

This gives me some hope that things are not totally fubar.
 
i have questions on where I am at with my pension.

I was in the reserves from 1990 to 2016. Just released medically 2 weeks ago. I also work in the public service since 2006. I did all my buy backs on my reserve pension part 1a and contributed to my pssa pension at the same time. In the last years in the reserve, I took LWOP for military service to do a course and then deployed shortly thereafter. Suffered blast injuries and spend the last 3 years of my reserve time on RFC before being medically release... So I ended up rolling over to Part 1 of the cfsa 3 months before my release date.

I let the pension guys for cfsa know and got all the paperwork in to TOP UP my pension to part 1. I got a reply back saying they got my paperwork with a yellow post it on it giving me a heads up that my top up will only be around 6200 bucks - low considering 25 years reserve - most class A but if you add all my actual days worked it comes in over 4200 days.

So what does this mean now for me pension wise? Since I'm now part 1 on a medical release - will I get an immediate annuity? If so - how will that be calculated. I only paid $16 grand into reserve pension on my initial buyback and another 6 grand will be thrown in on my top up. That makes only a 24 grand investment - I can't see my top up taking me to an annuity equivalent to a career long contributor of part 1. My guess is that they will convert me to the days actually worked and they would base it on the 4200 days... Am I guessing right?

And how does this affect my pssa pension and that I am a contributor. I returned to my public service job the week following my military release from the reserves. I know for a fact that you can contribute to a part 1a and pssa pension - but if you are considered an annuitant - you can't.

So will I become or am I now considered an annuitant ?
Am I required to surrender my part 1 cfsa pension to have it merged with my pssa pension?

In the mean time - since I was on LWOP, I am able to buyback the time I was off on military leave. I contacted the pssa pension office and will have the amount next week. This is almost 5 years of service that will be added to my pssa pension - wonder how that affects the merge? I think I'm ok for most of it because I can be a contributor to both part 1a and pssa.... But the last 3 months I became part 1... So not a big problem that I see.

Then there is the issue of when I will see my cfsa pension - as I am under the impression that I could be waiting close to a year before I know what I will be receiving or can start collecting... So do I hold off on informing pssa until the smoke clears on that one?

Due to injuries I'm on a work place accommodation where I am working only 18 hours of my 40 hour week with SISIP Ltd topping me up... I know all income sources are deducted by 50%... And any back pay on pensions will have to be communicated... But if I'm suppose to transfer / surrender to my pssa... I hope they don't declare any pension amounts as income

So many questions I have

Has anyone done any of this?
Top up to part 1 of cfsa?
If so - what did you actually top up?
Surrender a cfsa pension to the public service?
If so - if a medical release where you were indexed... Are you able to convert back to cfsa if your disabilities cause you to be unable to continue working?

Any info would help - thanks
 
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Defence Watch often receives complaints from retired Canadian Forces personnel about the delays they face in receiving their pensions. Michael Prendergast falls in this category but has sent a letter to the Defence Minister with more than a few pointed questions about the issue of delayed pensions. He has decided to share with Defence Watch what he wrote to the Minister:



March 22, 2016

The Honourable Harjit Sajjan, P.C., M.P.

Minister of National Defence

Dear Minister,

I am writing this letter to request a Ministerial Investigation into the pension administration of the Canadian Armed Forces.

I retired in September 2015 after 38 years of service in the Canadian Armed Forces having served in two Army Reserve units, The Royal Winnipeg Rifles and The Loyal Edmonton Regiment, the last unit as Commanding Officer (2008-2011). I deployed on four tours of duty in Bosnia (1999 and 2003), the Sudan (2008) and Afghanistan (2011) in addition to instructing on Military Training and Assistance Program courses in Ghana and Kenya (2012).

Prior to retiring I was the Senior Reserve Advisor, Class B’A’, 3rd Canadian Division (3 Cdn Div) Headquarters. In this position I had numerous duties including reserve succession planning, interaction with Honorary Colonels as the Division Commander’s representative, mitigating reserve training and personnel issues, Executive Assistant to the Division Deputy Commander (Class A Reservist, part time soldier) as well as other assigned duties.

When I retired I was initially told in an email correspondence from Daphne Millar, Pension Specialist, dated September 23, 2015 that it would take “4 to 6 months to receive your pension cheque.”

On December 9, 2015 I was in email correspondence with a Sergeant Deborah Simms who informed me that my PERS file/Release TD had been received at DMCA4 Release section on October 13, 2015 and that the wait period once received at DMCA would be 12 to 14 weeks.

I corresponded again on January 20, 2016 with Sergeant Simms who informed me that there were further delays with the processing of files due to a “large influx of files and some unforeseen staffing shortages especially during the Christmas Leave Period.”

To date I have yet to receive a pension cheque after six months of patient waiting.  As a result I have been living off of my savings which are being depleted. In addition, I have had to pay for health and dental bills out of pocket as I am not entitled to pensioner health and dental benefits until I am in receipt of a pension. Recently, I have had to pay for two root canals which cost approximately $2200 for both. Any further delays in the pension and no access to pensioner health and dental benefits will end up causing me undo financial hardship.

I would like the following questions answered for the public record.



1. At what stage of the pension administration process is my pension at?
2. When will I start receiving a pension cheque including the months in arrears?
3. Will interest be paid to me for the arrears? If not, why not?
4. How many staff, military and civilian, administers Regular Force pensions in fiscal years 2012-2016?
5. How many staff, military and civilian, administers Reserve Force pensions in fiscal years 2012-2016?
6.What are the longest, shortest and average lengths of time that a Regular Force member had to wait before receiving a pension cheque for fiscal years 2012-2016?
7. What are the longest, shortest and average lengths of time that a Reserve Force member in the part-time pension plan had to wait before receiving a pension cheque for fiscal years 2012-2016?
8. What are the longest, shortest and average lengths of time that a Reserve Force member in the full-time pension plan had to wait before receiving a pension cheque for fiscal years 2012-2016?
9. What is the average wait time for a General Officer/Flag Officer for a pension cheque in fiscal years 2012-2016?
10. What is the average wait time for an officer for a pension cheque in fiscal years 2012-2016?
11. What is the average wait time for a non-commissioned member for a pension cheque in fiscal years 2012-2016?
12. In comparison with the general public service pension and the RCMP pension what are their average wait times for a pension cheque?
13. Are pensions that take longer than 30 days to implement, and that are paid in arrears to service members, paid with the prevailing interest rate as compensation for the unnecessary delay?
14. Regarding question 6, if interest is not paid on pensions delayed and in arrears to service members, why not?
15. What is the Government of Canada’s policy regarding paying interest on pensions in arrears?
16. What is the Canadian Armed Force’s policy regarding paying interest on pensions in arrears?
Minister, I hope that you take this request seriously and order a Ministerial Inquiry into the concerns that I have raised.

very respectfully,

Michael J. Prendergast CD, MBA

Lieutenant Colonel (retired)



cc: The Honourable Scott Brison, P.C., M.P., President of the Treasury Board of Canada

Ziad Aboultaif, M.P. Edmonton-Manning
 
An alternative would be to split the questions up, and have an opposition MP submit them as written questions on the order paper for the day. Then the minister must answer them.
 
Received this from Mike on the Regimental Net:
Well, surprise, surprise. I received a phone call from the Pension Services supervisor Wednesday morning stating that my pension had been received by DMCA in February and that it had been in the audit stage but is now complete.

She asked for my email address in order for her to send me my pension information so that I could fill out the various forms and return to them in a scanned format and to mail the original documents back to them so that they could finalize it.

Undoubtedly, posting my letter on Defence Watch lit a great big fire under someone’s ass to get it completed. I find it too much of a coincidence that my pension was finalized the same morning my letter to the MND was posted on Defence Watch. Obviously someone wants to quickly shut me up.
My concern are other service members who are still waiting for their pensions and undoubtedly some of them have been waiting much longer than me.

As a trained staff officer I know and understand the bureaucracy and won’t let it push me around. I wonder who will do this for our soldiers who may not have the same insight of the bureaucracy or writing skills.
I wonder how many retired service members there are and if this prolonged and unnecessary delay is causing them or about to cause them financial hardship too. Maybe other retired service members who have been waiting excessively for their pension should write the MND, cc their MP, and request a ministerial inquiry. They could use my letter as a template and modify it for their own needs. Then, they could then send a copy to you for online publication on Defence Watch. It obviously expedites the process!

Pension Services do not want a Ministerial. After several requests, the AG will not audit the RFPP.
 
I've read through the majority of this thread and also the CF pension website but haven't found a specific answer to my question.  Hopefully those that have gone through the process can give a quick and easy answer on how top-up's work.

For those members that only need to top-up (ie don't need to buy back) upon switching from the reserve pension to the part I reg force pension, is the top-up amount strictly only the difference between your reserve pension contribution and what the reg force contribution would've been in the years you were part of the reserve pension plan, or is there additional interest added on top of this difference over those years?  And if so, what type of interest is calculated for the top-up portion?

I'm assuming it's just the difference and no additional interest is added (unlike what was the case for actually buying back) but I just wanted to double check.  Also the pension calculator on the pension website is not working as usual so wasn't able to do an estimate from there.  Thanks in advance!
 
Some light reading fora Sunday morning, taken from the Canadian Forces Superannuation Regulations 14.6(2) (http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/C.R.C.,_c._396/FullText.html)

Simplified: If you did not have a buyback, but are only making a top-up, for each calendar year you pay the difference between what you contributed and what you would have had to contribute.  There is no interest.  And it appears that you buy back at the historical contribution rates.

If you had a buyback (the second instance described below), it is similar, except they used the adjusted earnings calculation used for the buyback, and pro-rate per the buyback you made - so if, for example, in your Reserve Pension buyback you only purchased back three-quarters of your service, your top-up could not exceed that 75%.

Clear as mud?

(2) A contributor who makes a top-up election shall pay the full amount or a lesser amount for which the contributor opts at the time of making the election.

(3) The full amount is

(a) in respect of pensionable service described in paragraph 14.2(a), the total of amounts determined for each calendar year by the formula

B - A

where

A
is the amount that the contributor was required to contribute as a participant under the Reserve Force Pension Plan Regulations on their earnings, for that calendar year, that remained to their credit as pensionable earnings for the purposes of those Regulations on the day before the contributor became a member of the regular force, other than earnings that came to their credit as a result of a past earnings election,
B
is the amount that the contributor would have been required to contribute under section 5 of the Act in that calendar year had they been required to so contribute on an amount of salary equal to their former earnings for that calendar year; and
(b) in respect of pensionable service described in paragraph 14.2(b), the total of amounts determined for each calendar year by the formula

(D - C) × E

where

C
is the portion of the full amount, excluding interest, determined for that calendar year by the formula in subsection 15(2) of the Reserve Force Pension Plan Regulations for the purposes of the past earnings election referred to in paragraph 14.2(b) of these Regulations,
D
is the greater of the value of C and the amount that the contributor would have been required to contribute under subsection 5(1.01) of the Act on an amount of salary for the year of the past earnings election equal to the amount that would be determined as their updated past earnings for that calendar year for the purposes of the past earnings election, if the amount of their past earnings for that calendar year were adjusted by subtracting the amount of any earned premiums in lieu of leave and adding the amount of any allowances calculated in respect of that calendar year in accordance with section 9, and
E
is the proportion referred to in subsection 26(1) of the Reserve Force Pension Plan Regulations in relation to the past earnings election that was made.
 
Thanks that helps a lot actually!  I saw that post previously on the formulas but started to get confused when they referred to other formulas in paragraph 14.2(b) so wasn't sure if there was an interest calculation on the top-up.  Glad there isn't.

Hopefully this mess with all the reserve buybacks settles soon, at least the newer guys who will only need to do top-ups will have it easier hopefully.. for now.
 
Snakedoc said:
Thanks that helps a lot actually!  I saw that post previously on the formulas but started to get confused when they referred to other formulas in paragraph 14.2(b) so wasn't sure if there was an interest calculation on the top-up.  Glad there isn't.

Hopefully this mess with all the reserve buybacks settles soon, at least the newer guys who will only need to do top-ups will have it easier hopefully.. for now.

Buybacks can be relatively straight forward, provided people have all their service paid via RPSR.  It's the more mature folks (ahem) with service in both RDS and RPSR that take so long, since the RDS data is not available in an electronic format, and thus is verified from paysheets, route letters, and old spools of microfilm... with each day or half-day of attendance verified, rank and IPC on that date confirmed, makign it very labour intensive.
 
CAF members now have online (through the DWAN) access to information on their pensions.  You require an active PKI card.  Information is in CANFORGEN 101/16 http://vcds.mil.ca/vcds-exec/pubs/default-eng.asp?path=/vcds-exec/pubs/canforgen/2016/101-16_e.asp

They are still working out a number of issues with the site, but provided you are on the DWAN with a PKI card, you now have easier access to pension information, and can do "what if " scenarios more easily than in the past where you'd have to find a clerk with appropriate access.

Start here: http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/fac-caf/accueil-home-eng.html
 
A CPO2 had the wrong box ticked on his release paperwork, so he was transferred to the Sup Res, and not released.  Thus, his pension would not start until he had a year without earnings, to his surprise.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/military-vet-bankruptc-clerical-error-year-without-pension-1.3849338
 
Sounds like he had way more problems than filling out the wrong form...
 
dapaterson said:
CAF members now have online (through the DWAN) access to information on their pensions.  You require an active PKI card.  Information is in CANFORGEN 101/16 http://vcds.mil.ca/vcds-exec/pubs/default-eng.asp?path=/vcds-exec/pubs/canforgen/2016/101-16_e.asp

They are still working out a number of issues with the site, but provided you are on the DWAN with a PKI card, you now have easier access to pension information, and can do "what if " scenarios more easily than in the past where you'd have to find a clerk with appropriate access.

Start here: http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/fac-caf/accueil-home-eng.html

Haven't had a chance to look at the CANFORGEN or the web application...any idea if it enables you to estimate Transfer Value? Or only useful to those eligible for their actual pension? Thanks.
 
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