Okay a few things you need to remmber,
I haven‘t forgotten
Canada entered both WW1 and WW2 before the United States, and did not need the Help of Amercians to win.
Bull****. In 1917, the collapse of the Eastern Front allowed Germany to send thousands of fresh troops to the west - at a time when French divisions were mutinying, and British formations in the field were downsizing in order to keep the number of divisions constant. The German spring offensives of 1918 were a shocking blow. It is very possible that without American intervention, the western front may have collapsed, or at least extended the war into 1919.
Both those wars were won but an allied effort,
Exactly.
and not because of American‘s entry into them.
Read my post again; I said that these were all team efforts and I was not attempting to downplay the role of our military.
Lets take WW1, It started in 1914, not April 1917. And Canadians were at the front perfecting the tactics that won the war.
Canadians didn‘t fight any major battles until April 1915, if you want to get picky, and with only one division that mostly destroyed itself in rash counter-attacks (ie St. Julien, etc.) 6000 men of the 10,000 man division became casualties. Because of their bravery, the line held and a major German breakthrough was prevented (though historians will point out the Germans had not planned for a deep breakthrough during Second Ypres anyway, and would have had to stop short of their own accord even if they pushed the Canadians aside - which they weren‘t able to do). A second division didn‘t reach the front until later in the year.
Are you saying Canada won the war with just two divisions? The Third and Fourth arrived later, the Fourth in August 1916.
So yes, we got into the war in August 1914 (we had no choice, as politically we were tied to Britain), and did not have anyone in action until April (though the Patricias did see action a bit earlier as part of the British Army). That‘s nine months, and the Second Division did not arrive until September 1915, over a year after war was declared.
The Americans were able to field over 1,200,000 troops during Meuse-Argonne (with thousands others in different sectors), at a time when French troops were in disarray and reeling. The Canadian Corps amounted to about 40,000 troops.
Amercian troops were in France in the spring of 1918, and after the Germans had lost their stream in their great push, their entry shorten the war, but did not win it.
Some historians would agree, others would not. I think you can say for sure that Canadians didn‘t win the war alone, and the involvement of the US made an appreciable difference.
WW2 again started in 1939 not Dec 7 1941.
And Canadian troops did what, exactly, during this period? Spitsbergen, and faced no opposition. Oh yes, and lost 6 men when the First Division moved to Brittany briefly before being withdrawn. At the same time, the US was providing material aid to Canada and Britain clandestinely. So while Canada was far more involved (mainly through the RCAF, BCATP, and naval escort duties on the North Atlantic run), America wasn‘t exactly idle. They also started drafting soldiers in 1940 to prepare their military for war action - Canada began drafting men in 1940 and refused to let them serve in combat until January 1945 (the decision was made in Nov 44, but they didn‘t arrive in theatre until the next year).
Yes Amercian troops and industrial machine played a major role in the defeat of German,
Every Canadian armoured regiment used the Sherman tank by 1944 - guess where they were made?
but so did our‘s and the of course lets not forget about the USSR. They really won the war agaist Germany.
I never disputed either of these points. And again, the USSR was aided considerably by American help - GMC trucks, Sherman tanks, and lots of other goodies. The British too, got War Aid clothing from the US, Lee Enfield rifles produced in the US, etc. Again, my point was that WW II was a team effort - and that US involvement in that team was not just ‘nice to have‘ as perhaps in WW I, but a necessity.
It was their man power and their country that wore out the German war machine and forced the cracks ito show in the German leadership.
This mystifies me - which cracks are you referring to? I am rereading Matthew Cooper‘s THE GERMAN ARMY - a masterful treatise on Germany‘s wartime direction. I think the cracks were apparent from before the war - Hitler made all the decisions, period, and they were usually the wrong ones, tactically and operationally speaking.
Japan is a different story as it was all the work efforts of United States, it was ther war to win. And Canada played a very small part in this war.
I disagree - China had a large burden in fighting the Japanese, from very early on, as did the Australians and the British (in Burma). It was not just the Americans fighting the Japanese - even the USSR came onside once it was clear the Japanese were defeated and there was territory to be gained.
You are correct about our role, though - aside from the two battalions we threw away at Hong Kong (and our VC winning pilot who was killed on the same day as one of the A Bomb strikes), Canada did very little. We sent a brigade of draftees to Kiska, but the Japanese had fled before they arrived.
Korea again it was an amercian conflict, and Canada played a small part with only 25,000 troops.
What do you mean "again"?
It was NOT an "American" conflict, 17 nations fought there under the United Nations banner, albeit under US operational control. Large contingents from Britain and Australia made up the Commonwealth Division along with our 25th Brigade.
Your statement could really applied to any nation who was an allie in those wars.
Of course it could, that was the point.
I.e Could Britian of won ww1 and ww2 without Canadian help... and the answer would most likely be no they could not of won without our help or the help of the common wealth.
This is certainly true of WW II - Canada produced 60 percent of all Bren Guns, trained thousands of pilots through the BCATP, and performed the lion‘s share of escort duties in the North Atlantic. As for WW I, I think we had a profound influence on tactics (as you point out) and military science - the 40,000 troops we had in the field at any one time was only a drop in the bucket - but Canadian skill managed to multiply the force beyond what the mere numbers suggested. The Germans always braced themselves for the worst when they heard the Canadians or Australians were going into the line opposite them.
To make a statement like that down plays our role in this century.
On the contrary, it puts it into the proper perspective - and doesn‘t allow anyone to downplay the vital role the Americans played in both world wars - something that is popular in this country, unfortunately.
Canada‘s problem has been that we‘ve always worked under someone else‘s rules and most this century dressed in someone else uniform....
Read my book DRESSED TO KILL and you will see how non-sensical this statement is. Or check out KHAKI by Clive Law. Canadian uniforms were very distinct from the British in WW i - they were also poorly made and had to be replaced en masse, from the boots on up. In WW II Canadian uniforms were highly sought after, being well tailored, of high quality cloth, and generally smart looking.
But aside from taking your statement too literally, why would you suggest this was a "problem"? I don‘t even know if I agree - the Canadian Corps was independent in WW I - the British had wanted to split our troops up as reinforcements for British units. Our victory at Vimy was a result of us remaining independent.
McNaughton fought tooth and nail for Canadian command in WW II. In fact, Canadian independence was a giant problem in Italy, when we insisted on having our own corps headquarters there when none was required. It actually managed to sap troops needed elsewhere, and the Brits hated the Corps headquarters we imposed on them.
and we get over looked by our allies because we don‘t speak up.
I‘m not sure what this refers to. We sat up and begged for Dieppe, we had our own beach on D-Day in Normandy, we were certainly not overlooked in Hong Kong...what does this refer to?