- Reaction score
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- Points
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Yup! Not a bright thing to be doing.
George Wallace said:Let's see.
US Border Agent armed with sidearm and can of pepper spray.
Uses pepper spray.
Doesn't use firearm.
Violent or nonviolent response?
I would say that it was a rather restrained response considering the fact that a motorist, operating a "deadly weapon" (automobile), was being beligerant.
N. McKay said:Violent. Less violent than shooting him, more violent than slapping him in the face or punching him in the arm, but undeniably violent.
Do you accept a distinction between uncooperative and belligerent? I think, based on what's been presented here, he was more of the former.
Yes, a car can be a deadly weapon, but in this case it was hardly being used as such. Surely we can't treat all motorists as brandishing a deadly weapon simply by virtue of being motorists, can we?
N. McKay said:Violent. Less violent than shooting him, more violent than slapping him in the face or punching him in the arm, but undeniably violent.
N. McKay said:Do you accept a distinction between uncooperative and belligerent? I think, based on what's been presented here, he was more of the former.
N. McKay said:Yes, a car can be a deadly weapon, but in this case it was hardly being used as such. Surely we can't treat all motorists as brandishing a deadly weapon simply by virtue of being motorists, can we?
Be calm Vern.....you'll always hear countervailing arguments, habitually from people who've never once earned the Queen's shilling in harm's way.ArmyVern said:Buddy was a dickwad, didn't comply with direction (direction given legally at that) and paid for it --- HIS problem and HIS fault. No more excuses for idiots please.
Bruce Monkhouse said:except to tell clown-face how long, if ever, before he can re-enter the US again.
George Wallace said:A slap to the face can be a charge of Assault in the eyes of the Law. The officer would have had to place himself in danger, by entering the automobile to do so. How far do you want to play this game?
I would say that he was both. His insistence that the officer say "Please" was purposely inciting the officer and escalating the situation.
A LEO can not read minds. Apparently you can.
This guy is lucky that the officer used pepper spray and not his firearm.
N. McKay said:I hope we never get to a point where a customs officer in a developed country shoots someone at a port of entry over something like this.
N. McKay said:I hope we never get to a point where a customs officer in a developed country shoots someone at a port of entry over something like this.
N. McKay said:I'm arguing that the use of pepper spray was violent, and provided an example of something else that was also violent, but less so, for comparison. I'm not suggesting that the customs officer should have struck the driver.
Fair point; that might well have been his intention. But my guess is that he was nothing more than a smart-ass who wanted to make a point with the customs officer, and didn't think his actions through.
Sadly not!
I hope we never get to a point where a customs officer in a developed country shoots someone at a port of entry over something like this.