SCAR
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I find it interesting they also have a stand alone attachment for the grenade launcher.
The option could give soldiers something to quickly convert to non-lethal launcher if need be, and could make trading the resource more easier within the section.
yes?
The option could give soldiers something to quickly convert to non-lethal launcher if need be, and could make trading the resource more easier within the section.
yes?
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Well, out of curiosity does anyone here kno why the XM-8 project was cancelled? The program had every rifle able to be changed and used as every type of weapon needed with a quick *click and snap*.
I would think that it would be very cost effective when you can use parts from any gun to repair any gun.
I would think that it would be very cost effective when you can use parts from any gun to repair any gun.
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XM-8 was a wobbly piece of crap.
I have about as much respect for the PEO Soldier guys pimping that POS as I do CF CTS...
SCAR is an end user derived system and unlike HK and the XM-8, FN is doing user trials with different members of USSOCOM.
Tango Down is building the lowers for FN (out of polymer) to keep the costs low.
Every one I know that has shot the recent versions has been happy with them.
I have about as much respect for the PEO Soldier guys pimping that POS as I do CF CTS...
SCAR is an end user derived system and unlike HK and the XM-8, FN is doing user trials with different members of USSOCOM.
Tango Down is building the lowers for FN (out of polymer) to keep the costs low.
Every one I know that has shot the recent versions has been happy with them.
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I 've read that the SCAR should cost about the same as a M4/M16 so price probably won't be the problem if that information is correct. For the price of one F22 they can replace 10.000's of M4's with SCAR if they want to.
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The competition is the HK 416 and 417 series of rifles, which is essentially an improved upper receiver for the M-16/M-4/C-7 family of weapons. The gas tube venting gas directly to the bolt carrier is replaced with a short stroke gas piston (similar to the FN-C1 from the last Ice Age, but actually derived from the HK G-36).
I had a chance to handle the SCAR, HK 416 and XM-8 at AUSA last year, and the fact the HK 416 was in essence a C-7 made it immediately familiar and easy to use. The XM-8 was impressive to look at in a movie prop kind of way, and the SCAR reminded me of the C-1, but that really only speaks to me, new soldiers would see it as a new weapon (which it is, the resemblance to the C-1 is very superficial, and fall apart under closer scrutiny).
If I was to choose, I would probably go for the HK 416 solution on a logistics and training basis. People who have fired these weapoons will have their own opinions, of course.
I had a chance to handle the SCAR, HK 416 and XM-8 at AUSA last year, and the fact the HK 416 was in essence a C-7 made it immediately familiar and easy to use. The XM-8 was impressive to look at in a movie prop kind of way, and the SCAR reminded me of the C-1, but that really only speaks to me, new soldiers would see it as a new weapon (which it is, the resemblance to the C-1 is very superficial, and fall apart under closer scrutiny).
If I was to choose, I would probably go for the HK 416 solution on a logistics and training basis. People who have fired these weapoons will have their own opinions, of course.
"but actually derived from the HK G-36)."
- And others before it:
"Because ArmaLite has sold Stoner's patent for direct gas operation to Colt, the Stoner Weapons System used a piston-operated gas impingement system, though Stoner himself believed direct gas operation was the ideal method for firearms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner
Plus:
"ArmaLite sold the rights to the AR-15 rifle to Colt and began the development two new rifles. The AR-16 was a 7.62 mm counterpart to the AR-10, and the AR-18 was the 5.56 mm counterpart to the AR-15. The design of the AR-18 is mainly credited to Armalite's chief designer at the time, Arthur Miller.
Overall, the new designs were much more conventional than previous ArmaLite designs. They were immediately criticized for their appearance. At the time, crude sheet metal and welded components were frowned upon in the use of service rifles. However, such construction proved to be a sign of things to come, as it promised signicantly reduced production costs. Moreover, the gas piston operation of the AR-18 proved much more resistant to fouling than that of the earlier AR-15 and M16 rifles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-18
And Korean K1/K2 etc...
Tom
- And others before it:
"Because ArmaLite has sold Stoner's patent for direct gas operation to Colt, the Stoner Weapons System used a piston-operated gas impingement system, though Stoner himself believed direct gas operation was the ideal method for firearms." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner
Plus:
"ArmaLite sold the rights to the AR-15 rifle to Colt and began the development two new rifles. The AR-16 was a 7.62 mm counterpart to the AR-10, and the AR-18 was the 5.56 mm counterpart to the AR-15. The design of the AR-18 is mainly credited to Armalite's chief designer at the time, Arthur Miller.
Overall, the new designs were much more conventional than previous ArmaLite designs. They were immediately criticized for their appearance. At the time, crude sheet metal and welded components were frowned upon in the use of service rifles. However, such construction proved to be a sign of things to come, as it promised signicantly reduced production costs. Moreover, the gas piston operation of the AR-18 proved much more resistant to fouling than that of the earlier AR-15 and M16 rifles." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-18
And Korean K1/K2 etc...
Tom
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Brihard said:
5.56 NATO (not 5.55 I assume it is just a typo) , and 7.62 NATO.
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