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Some of the bought & paid for media

There is no way that is all semantics, and that the fortunes of BCE directly impact CTV news... Just like the PM and the Clerk of the Privy Council have never tried to influence the AG...
Ok. But I’m simply asking if there is evidence that CTV receives any government subsidy? They claim not to, and claim to be entirely advertising funded. Ownership of a business within a larger corporate conglomerate doesn’t mean you subsidize them or their operations; if anything, companies that buy media outlets seem to constantly slash and seek savings. BCE specifically did that to CTV.

I’m completely open to any credible evidence that CTV receives government subsidy. I’m just not actually seeing any presented. Nothing you’ve said so far goes farther than simple supposition, and it’s directly contradicted by the company’s claims. Given how many people like to ‘gotcha’ the media, if CTV was receiving government money, I don’t think it would be hard to find that stated directly somewhere, with receipts.
 
The allegation from Chris Selley, based on evidence from tweets from Government MPs actually made, is that CTV is not in the wrong for stitching together two quotes of PP to make a third thing that he never said- they are in the wrong for firing the two story editors and for not backing the LPC, since they receive subsidies. The implication is already out there that some (maybe all Liberal MPs) believe that because “the media” get government subsidies, brought in by Liberals, the media “owes them”.

This is exactly a big of a disaster for the media landscape in Canada as I predicted would occur when the Liberals were stupid enough to bring in media subsidies and most media outlets were stupid enough to accept them.
 
I’m completely open to any credible evidence that CTV receives government subsidy. I’m just not actually seeing any presented. Nothing you’ve said so far goes farther than simple supposition, and it’s directly contradicted by the company’s claims. Given how many people like to ‘gotcha’ the media, if CTV was receiving government money, I don’t think it would be hard to find that stated directly somewhere, with receipts.
It's easy to be "open" to things you know aren't openly available on the internet.

The people CTV executives report to are paid by the government, it's not hard to see how that impacts what they do. If you choose to ignore that, that's entirely on you. I refuse to imagine that tens of millions of dollars of government "relief" have no impact on them.
 
It's easy to be "open" to things you know aren't openly available on the internet.

The people CTV executives report to are paid by the government, it's not hard to see how that impacts what they do. If you choose to ignore that, that's entirely on you. I refuse to imagine that tens of millions of dollars of government "relief" have no impact on them.

They are? Because what you’ve pointed to is them receiving the wage subsidy temporarily a few years ago, which a vast number of employers did, and which no longer exists or continues to offer them any benefit or incentive for anything.

What we CAN see is BCE making huge cuts to CTV when they bought them. Again, all I’m seeing is supposition, nothing remotely close to evidence.
 
There is no way that is all semantics, and that the fortunes of BCE directly impact CTV news... Just like the PM and the Clerk of the Privy Council have never tried to influence the AG...
Since BCE are part owners of the Maple leafs and the Montreal Canadians does that also mean they received government subsidies with significant impact? When you look at a massive conglomerate like BCE, And then spread their share of of the fortunes (which isn’t really how it is spread out anyways but I’ll indulge) that comes from government money it doesn’t amount to much.

It’s just that some are assuming that ALL that money MUST be supporting their media enterprise. Given the major cuts bell media has been doing it would seem that they aren’t investing as much as you think they are.
 
Whether CTV gets government subsidy or not is a red herring argument. They deserve every ounce of condemnation for what they did, and if the LPC can't see the wrong in that, then that's just one more reason people should consider their choices carefully.
100%, and I’m glad to see CTV fired the two people they determined were responsible. CTV deserves whatever hit to their business comes from this. Upholding a standard against deceptive video cropping is unequivocally a good thing. Expecting integrity from all who talk about our parliamentary and electoral politics is a good thing.
 
100%, and I’m glad to see CTV fired the two people they determined were responsible. CTV deserves whatever hit to their business comes from this. Upholding a standard against deceptive video cropping is unequivocally a good thing. Expecting integrity from all who talk about our parliamentary and electoral politics is a good thing.
And despite what some think about legacy media, they do subscribe to a a code of journalistic standards that when violated can lead to consequences and accountability.
 
Since BCE are part owners of the Maple leafs and the Montreal Canadians does that also mean they received government subsidies with significant impact? When you look at a massive conglomerate like BCE, And then spread their share of of the fortunes (which isn’t really how it is spread out anyways but I’ll indulge) that comes from government money it doesn’t amount to much.

It’s just that some are assuming that ALL that money MUST be supporting their media enterprise. Given the major cuts bell media has been doing it would seem that they aren’t investing as much as you think they are.
When the Leafs or Canadiens become the most popular source for broadcast news, I'll concern myself more with their degree of government subsidization/influence via the parent company. Pretending that the Leafs and CTV News are similar in any way is disingenuous.

Last week the CRCN directed that no RCN members were to attend a LM event being held in Ottawa, because it would appear improper. If a CPO 2 or LCdr can't even attend an event because it looks bad, what does that say about the government handing out tens of millions of dollars to media companies? If a LCdr might be influenced to sway things in LM's favour by a canape, would $40M influence how a company favours a government?
 
When the Leafs or Canadiens become the most popular source for broadcast news, I'll concern myself more with their degree of government subsidization/influence via the parent company. Pretending that the Leafs and CTV News are similar in any way is disingenuous.
Except they belong to the same parent company but the assumption is that ONLY the media division somehow benefitting.
 
Except they belong to the same parent company but the assumption is that ONLY the media division somehow benefitting.
I never said or implied that at all.

I don't care if the Leafs, Canadiens, or the Corner Gas animated show benefit from, or are influenced by a government subsidy. I care that the people who frame the public discussion on events and politics are influenced by government money. People who make public declarations of not being biased, and have very blatantly aired biased content. Firing a couple of people after the fact does not absolve them of suspicion, or blame in what they have done.
 
I never said or implied that at all.

I don't care if the Leafs, Canadiens, or the Corner Gas animated show benefit from, or are influenced by a government subsidy. I care that the people who frame the public discussion on events and politics are influenced by government money. People who make public declarations of not being biased, and have very blatantly aired biased content. Firing a couple of people after the fact does not absolve them of suspicion, or blame in what they have done.
Sure and that’s fine. However Brihard’s point is that he has not seen evidence that CTV directly benefitted from the subsidy indicated.
 
When the Leafs or Canadiens become the most popular source for broadcast news, I'll concern myself more with their degree of government subsidization/influence via the parent company. Pretending that the Leafs and CTV News are similar in any way is disingenuous.

Last week the CRCN directed that no RCN members were to attend a LM event being held in Ottawa, because it would appear improper. If a CPO 2 or LCdr can't even attend an event because it looks bad, what does that say about the government handing out tens of millions of dollars to media companies? If a LCdr might be influenced to sway things in LM's favour by a canape, would $40M influence how a company favours a government?
Let’s take a step back, and say that you are correct. CTV, CBC, Global, etc are all getting govt funding at one point or another.

Isn’t one of the priorities for a nation’s govt to promote homegrown [insert whatever industry]? I assure you that it’s not just Canada that does it, and we’re not even anywhere near the most protectionist, nor the most…expansionist (if that’s the right term) in terms of govt efforts. If Canada hands out the tens of millions to media to make the country look good, whether it be through homegrown shows, news, sports, whatever, it is really that crazy? The UK, for example, does it with the BBC.
 
Let’s take a step back, and say that you are correct. CTV, CBC, Global, etc are all getting govt funding at one point or another.

Isn’t one of the priorities for a nation’s govt to promote homegrown [insert whatever industry]? I assure you that it’s not just Canada that does it, and we’re not even anywhere near the most protectionist, nor the most…expansionist (if that’s the right term) in terms of govt efforts. If Canada hands out the tens of millions to media to make the country look good, whether it be through homegrown shows, news, sports, whatever, it is really that crazy? The UK, for example, does it with the BBC.
We already have a CBC for that purpose. Why should we pay for multiple CBC-lite competitors?

The CBC is even failing Canadians by shutting down local news in places outside of the major urban centers. Meaning that people outside of the center of the universe become even more invisible to those in the center, and have even less of a "voice" in the political discussions happening across the country.
 
We already have a CBC for that purpose. Why should we pay for multiple CBC-lite competitors?

The CBC is even failing Canadians by shutting down local news in places outside of the major urban centers. Meaning that people outside of the center of the universe become even more invisible to those in the center, and have even less of a "voice" in the political discussions happening across the country.
That sounds like a great reason for the govt to invest in local news outlets then, no?
 
For a long time the print media on Canada was a license to print money due to their advertising reach; the news was something to fill space between the ads.

They somehow managed to lose the advertising market while giving away the news. Now a scaled back business is beholden to offshore owners simultaneously extracting usurious rents while directing editorial coverage in their interest.
 
That sounds like a great reason for the govt to invest in local news outlets then, no?
Like the CBC? Yes, but then at least there is no pretense that the CBC isn't funded by the government.
 
The way to "promote" any industry or endeavour is though the tax system.

Canada has a large and diverse infotainment industry that ranges in size from individual blogs and podcast to very large corporations like Bell, the CBC, CTV and Rogers.

Some of it, the CBC, especially, is already openly publicly funded. Should it be? Do we still need that model 90+ years after the Canadian Radio Broadcasting Commission was established as a public entity and acquired the then privately owned (since 1923) radio stations and studios of the Canadian National Railway Network?

Many nations decided, in the 1920s and '30s, that radio broadcasting was a public service and should be public, government controlled monopoly. Some still exist, but not, I suggest in any country to which most of us voluntarily emigrate.

Lets take two service providers at opposite end of the business spectrum:
  • Big corporation R owns over-the-air radio and television stations, production facilities, newspapers, web based services, sports teams and heaven alone know what else and "beam' their messages to us, like it or not, 24/7; meanwhile
  • Individual podcaster J owns a computer and few bits and pieces and hopes that handful of us listen too his ideas.
Both incur legitimate business expenses; in a fair system both should be able to claim those expenses - a new computer and webcam, for example, every couple of years and part of his monthly internet bill for J and millions of $$$ every month for R. But that's not how it works, is it? The 🇨🇦 government reserves the right to decide that R is a legitimate business while J is not, (s)he's just an individual pursuing a hobby. But both are offering Canadians the exact same service: infotainment and both are using a mix of public and private resources - including the radio spectrum - to so so. Why should they be treated, why the tax codes, any differently?
 
For a long time the print media on Canada was a license to print money due to their advertising reach; the news was something to fill space between the ads.

They somehow managed to lose the advertising market while giving away the news. Now a scaled back business is beholden to offshore owners simultaneously extracting usurious rents while directing editorial coverage in their interest.
The Woodbridge Company which owns Thompson Reuters is very Canadian and very profitable. too.
 
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