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The 2008 Canadian Election- Merged Thread

JBG said:
Until Canadians learn the hard way. Just ask any New Yorker.How would they feel if they weren't in the US's defense shadow?


I have two problems:

Islam, even radical fundamentalist Islam,  is NOT the enemy. Those who suggest it is are helping to lose the real war which is against movements that are characterized, in part, by being Islamic. But, these movements – though their leaders may want to see a strict, fundamentalist version of Islam imposed on everyone – are really all about politics, especially Middle Eastern, dynastic politics. They are not about Islam. Islam is not our enemy. Those who suggest Islam is the enemy are wrong – dreadfully and dangerously wrong, and they are giving aid and comfort to the real enemy.

The ‘war on terror’ is a silly idea. Terror is a weapon – usually used by those with limited power – but it is a weapon we have used and may have to use again. What on earth do you think Churchill meant when he said (to SOE and the other ‘raiding’ organizations) “Set Europe ablaze!” Do you think he planned a birthday bash for the Germans? Not at all, he authorized and launched a campaign of terrorism – and it worked, since ‘we’ had quite limited power at the time it was the best available weapon.

We do want to erase some/most of the nihilistic terrorist groups that serve those generally Arabic, Extremist, Fundamentalist Islamic and Medievalist movements that are our real enemies, but a 'war on terror' is an error; it is just plain dumb.
 
Yes...totally agree JBG...apparently the loss of the 3400 Canadians in NY...has been quickly forgotten and I wonder as well if the same will have to happen on Canadian soil for people to wake to f&$# up!!!!
HL

I don't know if the same thing will have to happen here for people to wake up...perhaps it does, given the continued perpetuation of the "peacekeeping myth" and the anti-american sentiment that continues to be thrust upon, and resonate with the Candian public, as evidenced here:

"I don't really follow the American troops, per se," admits Smith. "I find [them] very politically oriented and controlled, and there's more of a focus on the politics than the soldiering... I definitely think we have a better rapport worldwide because we're known as more of a peacekeeping nation as opposed to Americans."

Do you worry that Canada's current role in Afghanistan may be changing that?

"My hope is that the media continue to show that there is rebuilding, that there are humanitarian efforts going on," she says. "I think we get caught up in the battles and the blood and guts as opposed to where we're going."

As for MacFadyen, "If [Afghanistan] asked us to be there, and on the humanitarian side of things we're helping their country and protecting innocent civilians, yes, I'm all for it. But going in and taking over a sovereign country for our own political means? Or for some other country's political means?" he says pointedly, making the allusion clear. "Uh-uh."

Article link is here  ;)

http://www.hour.ca/news/news.aspx?iIDArticle=10989
 
And still more polls:

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Ekos says:

BLOC POWERS TO BIG LEAD IN QUEBEC; LIBERALS NARROW GAP IN ONTARIO

[OTTAWA – September 25, 2008] – It seems that rumours of the Bloc Québécois’ death are premature. Contrary to much of the speculation, the BQ’s strength in Quebec has been growing stealthily since the beginning of the election campaign, and the party now has a commanding lead in Quebec with 40% — double the second place Conservatives.

The Conservatives now barely outrank the Liberals in the province, who are in turn chased closely by the NDP.

These numbers are based on a large sample size of more than 900 respondents in the province over the last three days – part of EKOS’s national daily tracking poll.

“The BQ’s overall strength in public opinion may overstate somewhat its ability to win seats, since the Bloc faces different opponents in different parts of the province,” said EKOS President Frank Graves. “In Montreal, their opponent is mainly the Liberal Party, and to a degree, the NDP. In the rest of the province it is the Conservatives. Moreover, it is strongest among some of the demographic groups least likely to vote. Nonetheless, it is well within the BQ’s grasp to win the majority of the seats in the province once again.”

Meanwhile, in Ontario, the Liberals may have narrowed the gap; the three-day roll-up shows them to be within three percentage points of the Conservatives. However, there are different races going on within the province. The Liberals dominate Toronto, the Conservatives most of the rest of the province, but both parties are competitive in smaller urban centres and suburban communities. The NDP is also running well in its traditional strongholds.


BQ: 10% (+1)
Cons: 36% (-1)
Greens: 11% (NC)
Libs: 25% (+1)
NDP: 19% (+3)

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Harris-Decima says:

BQ Fighting Back in Québec

BQ: 9% (NC)
Cons: 36% (-1)
Greens: 12% (NC)
Libs: 23% (-1)
NDP: 17% (+1)

In Ontario, the Conservatives have 37%, Liberals 32%, NDP 15% and the Greens 13%.

In Quebec, the BQ continues to recover lost ground and stands at 39%, the Conservatives follow with 23%, the Liberals at 17%, the NDP 12% and the Greens at 8%.

In Atlantic Canada, the Liberals have 31%, the Conservatives 30%, the NDP 27% and the Green Party 8%.

In British Columbia, the Conservatives lead with 36%, followed by the NDP with 28%, the Liberals have 18% and the Greens have 16%.

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Nanos says:

Tories lead by 15 points

BQ: 9% (NC)
Cons: 40% (+3)
Greens: 8% (+1) (second +1 gain in as many days)
Libs: 25% (-1) (second -1 loss in as many days)
NDP: 19% (-2)

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Harris-Decima records no changes of any statistical significance but Ekos and Nanos do: +3 for the NDP and Conservatives, respectively. The Nanos +2 for the NDP ends to confirm Ekos’ reported change.

 
If Don Martin’s prognostications, reproduced here under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s National Post, are accurate then life is, indeed, over for the Dion Liberals:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/election-2008/story.html?id=838673
Liberals' Fortress Toronto no longer impregnable

Don Martin, National Post

Published: Thursday, September 25, 2008

The walls are crumbling around Fortress Toronto, a Liberal stronghold that's been impenetrable to Conservative attack for 15 years.

"The barbarians are at the gate," jokes Conservative hopeful Peter Kent, the former television correspondent who shifted from being a sacrificial Toronto lamb in the 2006 election to a potential favourite in a Liberal-held Thornhill riding that's literally across the road from the 416 area code.

"The 416 has obvious cracks, but the fact that Torontonians re-elected [left-leaning] David Miller as mayor doesn't give us fiscal conservatives great hope," Mr. Kent says. "Still, there are an awful lot of active Liberals who've come across and are supporting us and are taking lawn signs."

The greater Toronto area is a sprawling metropolis of eight million people with the political clout that comes with 41 federal seats, which is more than the seat count for British Columbia and Prince Edward Island combined.

But it's mostly been a Liberal monolith since 1993, the current exceptions being the husband-wife New Democrat duo of leader Jack Layton and Olivia Chow with Peggy Nash winning a seat by force of personality.

That seems poised to change.

The signs of a Conservative breach are as obvious as the blue wave of campaign litter sprouting on lawns in Brampton West, Newmarket and Mississauga.

The only trouble spot for the Conservatives seems to be Oshawa, the beleaguered auto manufacturing capital, where incumbent Colin Carrie is scrambling against popular New Democrat Mike Shields, who boasts deep Canadian Auto Workers' roots.

But the noose appears to be tightening on Liberals everywhere else in the metro region, an incredible turn of events for a party that owned all but two seats in the province just eight years ago.

Brampton West is a classic example of a possible sway in the making. It's the most populous riding in the country and in the top 20 for visible-minority populations, fertile territory for Liberals trying to demonize the Conservatives as rural-rooted and anti-immigration.

But the Liberals only fielded a last-minute candidate last week after the incumbent abruptly retired.

And if you want a glimpse of the grim Liberal mood here, candidate Andrew Kania's closing comments in a local television debate this week were insightful.

"This has been a Liberal riding for 15 years," Mr. Kania pleaded. "Keep it Liberal if you don't want Stephen Harper to win a majority."

That might not sound terribly dramatic, but Mr. Kania worked on Stéphane Dion's leadership bid and serves on the national election readiness committee. For him to admit there's even the risk of a Conservative majority in the making is significant.

But what's worse for Mr. Kania is having a charismatic lawyer who's been campaigning for 18 months and has people like former premier Bill Davis, also of Brampton, and Senator Hugh Segal in his corner.

"There's a strong Conservative tradition here. I don't think it's a natural Liberal riding," says Kyle Seeback, a former national swim team member whose local records in the 1,500-metre freestyle still stand unbeaten.

He's pushing hard on a crime-fighting agenda, which he claims to be the top concern on the doorstep in a city where ethnic tensions persist.

Radio talk show host Joginder Bassi agrees crime is a dominant concern and gives the edge to the Conservatives in the riding, even though family-reunion immigration policy is a ballot-box issue the Liberals claim for themselves.

"People are saying Harper is a good leader, a lot better than Stéphane Dion. My phone-in surveys show the Conservatives are still in the lead," he says.

Even closer to the Toronto core, alarms are being sounded on the street.

Feisty senior Mary Bolger grabbed New Democrat Peggy Nash by the arm as we chatted on the sidewalk outside her campaign office. "Your party should get together with the Liberals," she scolded. "You're all torn up between yourselves. It's the only way to stop a Harper majority."

Ms. Nash gave her a non-committal smile and changed the topic to the fine autumn weather. "It's easy to argue you can add up the opposition parties and assume we're all on the same page politically, but it's not that easy," she said later.

The popular Ms. Nash's battle to keep her seat may also suggest whether the Liberals have any comeback traction in ridings they once owned outright.

Her competition in Parkdale-High Park is Gerard Kennedy, a former Ontario Liberal Cabinet minister and federal leadership contender.

It's clearly a riding with character, given how Mr. Kennedy describes it as home to the largest population of former psychiatric patients in Canada (how do they track these things?) and Ms. Nash notes the riding is the American soldier deserter capital of Canada.

Mr. Kennedy's campaign office is beside a former funeral home that's now a horror attraction, but he insists that's not an omen of his oft-foiled political ambitions.

Still, the evenly matched sign war and casual chats with storeowners suggest the cakewalk he should've enjoyed as a former political heavyweight in the area is not happening.

"There may have been a time when the Liberals took seats here for granted, but not today," Mr. Kennedy allows over coffee.

The fourth-place finisher at the Liberal leadership convention, whose support for Mr. Dion was considered pivotal in the upset victory, is understandably weary of being blamed as the person responsible for giving Stephen Harper his dream rival.

"I still believe I made the best decision for the party and the party has to reprove itself to Canadians," he says. "I mean this, there is a Stéphane Dion to be seen and appreciated that's not yet fully on display."

He admits that going harder against the Harper record has appeal and "is something we're talking about on conference calls," but isn't sure if it will happen.

"We just need some stronger punctuation on this," he says "And Canadians need coaching to see us as the economic folks."

It's a shame one of these quality candidates has to lose, but unless the Liberal leadership catches fire, it would seem Mr. Kennedy will be unable to reclaim the seat for the party.

Up in Aurora, a seat owned by Belinda Stronach for the past two elections until her recent retirement as a Liberal, former mayor Tim Jones is proving to be a tough opponent for the Conservatives, who are counting on a visit from the Prime Minister in the final week to push rather weak candidate Lois Brown to victory.

Local Conservative organizer Stephen Somerville thinks it's too early to gloat, but he's "cautiously optimistic" that the riding will turn Tory again - and the number of signs in Newmarket alone seems to justify his confidence.

Mississauga Streetsville is another probable Conservative win as defector Wajid Khan is considered likely to reclaim his seat after flooding the riding with government payola.

Add it up and there are at least four seats that could blue shift from red as the 20-year Conservative drought in Toronto appears set to end.

The CN Tower, a symbol of futility fending off Conservatives since 1988, is now a beacon of hope. If this election continues to follow the trend, it seems the Conservatives will finally connect with Toronto's number - in the 905 area code, if not 416.

National Post

dmartin@nationalpost.com


The 905 region was the key to Mike Harris’ first victory; Harper hopes (dreams?) he can get it and parts of 416, too.

 
Further to Don Martin’s column, here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, is Jane Taber’s take on Dion’s prospects:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.welection-iberals26/BNStory/politics/home
Liberals already musing about potential leaders

JANE TABER

From Friday's Globe and Mail
September 25, 2008 at 10:35 PM EDT

John Turner was given two chances. The question Liberals are asking themselves now is whether Stéphane Dion will get the same.

It's not looking likely.

"There is a strong feeling that this is not John Turner; that there will not be two chances if Harper is not held to a minority," says one long-time Liberal, who has worked on past campaigns but is not directly involved in this one.

National opinion polls showing there is a good possibility of a majority government for Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, a poor campaign so far for the Liberals and a leader whose ideas do not seem to be catching on with voters have many Grits discussing Mr. Dion's future.

What comes next and who comes next? Will there be generational change?

All of this is speculative right now, based on the premise that Mr. Dion will not turn things around in next week's debates. Remember, too, that John Turner, who was prime minister for a brief time, had two unsuccessful election attempts: 1984 and 1988.

Still, only halfway through the election campaign there is a debate among some Liberals as to whether Michael Ignatieff, 61, and Bob Rae, 60, will seek the leadership one more time if Mr. Dion falters. The two placed second and third respectively in the leadership race. Will they stick around for four more years to try to rebuild the party?

Or will they, or party members, decide they're too old? Some Liberals are talking about some of the newer faces as possible contenders: Ontario MPs Navdeep Bains, Martha Hall Findlay, Mark Holland and Ruby Dhalla, New Brunswick MP Dominic LeBlanc and Montreal candidate Justin Trudeau.

Even Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and New Brunswick Premier Shawn Graham are being mentioned as possible successors, as is former Chrétien cabinet minister Martin Cauchon.

However, University of Toronto political scientist Stephen Clarkson, an expert on the Liberals, believes that Mr. Rae and Mr. Ignatieff would remain in the House of Commons to help rebuild through a Harper majority government.

"They only got back into this game recently, so they must have thought in terms of 10 years or so," Prof. Clarkson said. "Bob Rae loves politics and Michael Ignatieff has learned to love it.

"If they are at all like me, facing the dreaded 65-and-you're-out marker, they will be in deep denial and want to keep going. Chrétien did. Martin did. Why would they not?" he said.

Another senior Liberal also believes that the two men have already committed to four years as MPs (if they are re-elected) so why wouldn't they try to become leader if the circumstances allowed?

The Liberal notes, too, that the party seemed to have a good week last week when the so-called team was emphasized – both Mr. Rae and Mr. Ignatieff were helping out on the national campaign.

Although the campaign is only halfway over, there is thought now as to how election night will play out if the Conservatives win a majority government.

One veteran Liberal, who worked in for the Martin Grits, believes that Mr. Dion will try to stay on: He'll invoke the Turner card and argue he should have another chance.

But with a leadership review facing him if he loses, the Liberal said that Dion strategists and his senior people will likely convince him that a showdown is not good for the party or for him.

Indeed, there is not a lot of love lost between Mr. Dion and his team and some Liberals who were either told they would be working on the campaign or who had offered to help. As a result, many Liberals have no stake in this campaign.

"The reason why I am talking to you is because I think at this point there is still a chance to send a message to the campaign as a wake-up call, as there is still time to do something," says the long-time Liberal.

"It's tremendously frustrating because there's some of us that offered to help. There were some of us [who were asked to help] and neither one were ever followed up on.

"You feel like you were rejected for a job you didn't apply for."


If, and it’s a Great BIG IF, Harper wins a majority then the next general election is in the fall of 2012 – Michael Ignateiff will be 65 years old, Bob Rae will be 64 and “yesterday’s man” will, surely, be trotted out against them – as it was against Jean Chrétien, too, back in 1989/90. And look how ‘badly’ he did!

The big message is that the Chrétien/Martin battle, which is, in many ways, just a replay of the Trudeau/Turner fight of the '60s and '70s, is still tearing the Liberals apart. Forty years on and he, Trudeau, "haunts us still."

 
If you want to know what drives the left loony you have to look no farther than T Boone Picken’s comment that he “doesn't consider Canada a “foreign” oil and gas source.” Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, is an article about his natural gas ‘vision,’ but the important paragraphs are at the end:

http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.wboone0925/BNStory/Business/home
Pickens' natural gas nation

DAVID PARKINSON

Globe and Mail Update
September 25, 2008 at 9:45 PM EDT

T. Boone Pickens, the 80-year-old oilman-turned-hedge-fund-manager, has already promised to pay $60-million (U.S.) of his own money to push his vision to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil. Now he is convinced he has worked up a way to drive the message home in Washington, with a burgeoning grassroots lobby force he calls his “army.”

The Texas billionaire says he has dropped a billion in the recent turmoil, but the recent painful pullback in oil prices has not shaken his conviction as a long-term energy bull, or his belief that the largest economy in the world has to source more of its energy needs at home.

As the U.S. presidential election heats up, he's taken on the issue as a personal crusade with his “Pickens Plan” for a new U.S. national energy policy, accompanied by a new book and a grassroots lobby push. Drawing on supporters, he is talking tough about using his influence on the White House.

He has tossed the next president a 100-day deadline to get a comprehensive energy plan together after inauguration.

His plan calls for large-scale development of wind and solar power, but its cornerstone remains a twist on a tried-and-true fossil fuel – unlocking the ample supplies of natural gas that are contained in shale deposits throughout the United States, and converting U.S. drivers to this cheaper, cleaner-burning and domestic-sourced energy supply.

His push for leaders to embrace the Pickens Plan has been gaining momentum through the same medium that helped propel Democratic candidate Barack Obama's presidential campaign: the Internet. Through his website, pickensplan.com, he has signed up 450,000 public supporters, who are being enlisted to turn up the heat on lawmakers and candidates through letter and e-mail campaigns.

“We call them my army,” Mr. Pickens, 80, told The Globe and Mail.

“We're leaning pretty hard on those two [presidential] candidates now – they have to have an energy plan by the time we vote in November. To date, they have no energy plan. They talk about some things, but they don't have a plan.”

“I think we're going to have enough grassroots to push that through in the first hundred days – you don't want to let it go beyond that,” he said. “We'll step up the pressure.”

Despite being a long-time Republican supporter – he was a major campaign contributor to President George W. Bush – Mr. Pickens insisted his Pickens Plan is a non-partisan effort, and he has met with both Mr. Obama and Republican candidate John McCain to discuss it. But he suggested yesterday that he would be willing to throw his support behind whichever candidate was willing to embrace his plan.

“If one accepted the plan and one didn't, it would be hard to say I'm still non-partisan,” he said.

Mr. Pickens said that with 70 per cent of U.S. oil supplies coming from foreign sources, the tab for Americans is $700-billion (U.S.) a year at this summer's prices. And he believes that despite recent pullbacks, the price of oil is ultimately headed higher.

“In my mind, there's very little doubt we'll be back at $150 a barrel within a year from now,” he said. “In 10 years, oil will be $300 a barrel. If that's going to be the case, you're going to go from $700-billion to $1.5-trillion or $2-trillion. It'll break us.”

In that light, he said, people will increasingly support domestic supply solutions over the costly outflow of American dollars into foreign hands.

“It's going to be a patriotic issue,” he said. “Over time, you're not going to want to say you're still driving on foreign gasoline.”

Mr. Pickens is quick to clarify, though, that he doesn't consider Canada a “foreign” oil and gas source.

“It's considered North America – we're all one big happy family.”

In fact, he has urged Washington to make a deal with Canada to secure access to the rich oil sands – even if it means giving some ground to Canada on other trade issues.

“I have said to the President on several occasions that you need to work out something with the Canadians on the oil sands,” he said. “I know the Canadians want something from us. I'd make a deal.”


This, renegotiating the CANUS part of NAFTA should be one of the real issues that we should be discussing and upon which we should make our democratic decisions. We do, indeed, “want something” from the US: we want the US to stop the Department of Homeland Security from using ‘security’ to impede the free flow of goods and services – to the advantage of American producers. But we should want much, much more than that: a customs union, for sure, and, perhaps, an ‘immigration union,’ too.

 
This, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, is tied to the Ontario story. Until recently it appears, to me that the Conservatives aimed for some gains in Ontario outside of the 416/905 area codes and BIG gains in Québec, outside of Montreal. Now it is starting to appear that the Tories are alienating many (but not all, by any means) Québecers with the arts/culture funding imbroglio and the ‘get tough on youth crime’ project.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080925.welectionpoll26/BNStory/Front
Poll shows support for Tories' justice plan for youths

GLORIA GALLOWAY

From Friday's Globe and Mail
September 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM EDT

OTTAWA — Canadians outside Quebec are enthusiastic about a Conservative proposal to lower the minimum age for tougher sentences to 14, a new survey suggests.

The finding gives Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion one less line of attack against Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, whose party has dominated the election race since the writ was dropped more than two weeks ago.

The poll conducted this week by the Strategic Counsel for The Globe and Mail and CTV looked at 45 of the most hotly contested ridings in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec.

What it shows, said Strategic Counsel partner Peter Donolo, “is the two solitudes along English-French lines in Canada – and Quebec versus the rest of the country.”

In Quebec, 59 per cent of respondents panned the proposed change to the Young Offenders Act that would allow teenagers as young as 14 to receive life sentences.

But in Ontario, 73 per cent of respondents said they support the proposition; in British Columbia, 67 per cent of those surveyed said they agreed with it.

Moreover, the support outside Quebec is not lukewarm, Mr. Donolo said. In Ontario, for instance, a full 40 per cent said they “strongly” supported the concept.

“It's ‘I like it, I like it, give me more.' It's red hot. It's red meat, in Ontario and in B.C.,” he said.

Importantly for the Conservatives, the policy is appealing to Liberal voters, 61 per cent of whom said they would agree with toughening sentences for young offenders, he said.

On the other hand, Mr. Donolo said, the Conservatives appear to have done themselves no favours by allowing Quebec to set the minimum age for tougher sentencing at 16.

More than half of the Quebeckers polled said that would create a double standard and the law should apply equally across Canada – a sentiment that was also strongly expressed in Ontario and British Columbia.

The Conservatives “get no traction out of the argument that they are respecting the distinctiveness or difference of Quebeckers,” Mr. Donolo said. “Not only does that not work with Quebeckers but it's the equivalent of adding insult to injury.”

The poll, which was conducted between Sept. 22 and 24, surveyed different numbers of people in different provinces. The margin of error is expected to range between 4.1 per cent and 8.1 per cent across the various regions.

The Strategic Counsel also asked Canadians about their voting intentions and found that the Conservatives remained strong in all ridings surveyed.

In the British Columbia ridings, the poll suggests they held an 11-percentage-point lead over the Liberals; in Ontario they were 15 points ahead, and in Quebec, where both parties trail the Bloc Québécois, they were two points ahead.

One important trend, Mr. Donolo said, is the hardening of the Conservative and Bloc vote.

“Three-quarters of the voters for those two parties say they aren't changing their minds,” he said.

But those respondents who said they will vote for the Liberals, NDP and Greens were far less certain.


But the strategy may not be all that clear. As this article points out the BQ and Conservative vote is Québec is ‘firm’ and the Tories might, actually, pull some middle class votes away from the Liberals just on the ‘unpopular’ issues, because the middle class, including, by and large the Québec middle class, does not support arts/culture spending and is sick and tired of violent youth crime– enough, perhaps to win a few more seats. In Ontario these same ‘unpopular’ (with the media) policies may help the Tories to reconnect with the ‘Harris Tories’ in the 905 area code region, surrounding Toronto, and get a lot more seats.


 
On Mike Duffy last night he was chatting with reporters regarding the Quebec issues, and one of the comments that came out was that there were a fair amount of Liberals going over to the Conservatives ( especially as the Liberals in Quebec are dead in the water) in an effort to get rid of the Bloc.

The polls might show this more in the next week or so...
 
Feell free to post your fave "I didn't really mean to say that" moments here...

"Shut down the oilsands, NDP candidate (Michael Byers) urges" - It all started with him being a polar bear....

"Liberal Leader Stephane Dion dumped a candidate Friday after she was accused of anti-Semitism.  Lesley Hughes -- who's running for the party in a Winnipeg riding -- had faced criticism for an old blog posting in which she suggested Israeli intelligence warned the United States in advance of the 9-11 attack on the World Trade Center and "Israeli businesses" vacated the premises before the attack ...."

"Calgary Tory offers no apology for immigrant-crime comment"


 
Well!  Just saw a NDP commercial equating Harper's environmental policy and support of the big Oil Companies to those of George W. Bush and was surprised that the sublimial "Anti-American" stance was being played on the air.
 
Here we are, closing in on the end of week three of the campaign, and the Strategic Counsel poll of 45 close (in the 2006 election) races has the Conservatives projected to win in 32 of those ridings (+16), the BQ projected to win 9 (+1), the NDP projected to win in 3 (-1) leaving 1 (count ‘em: ONE) win projected for the Liberals!

Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from yesterday’s Globe and Mail, is the report:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080926.wElectionpoll-projections27/BNStory/politics/home
Liberals projected to lose almost all close races

BILL CURRY

Globe and Mail Update
September 26, 2008 at 9:04 PM EDT

OTTAWA — The Liberals are projected to lose virtually all 45 tight ridings being tracked by the Strategic Counsel polling firm, according to new seat projections conducted for The Globe and Mail and CTV.

The Strategic Counsel has been tracking 45 of the most narrowly won ridings from the last campaign and is translating those numbers into seat-by-seat results. The findings are bad news for the Liberals, which won 17 of those ridings in 2006. The party is projected to hold on to only one of those seats – the Quebec riding of Hull-Aylmer. For the Conservatives, their seat numbers in these ridings would jump from 16 to 32. The NDP would win three, down from four in 2006.

The poll numbers suggest, however, that Conservative hopes of big seat gains in Quebec may not materialize.

The projections have the Bloc Québécois holding on to existing support and gaining one more riding than the eight close ridings they won in 2006.

Pollster Peter Donolo said the Bloc appears to have benefited from a negative reaction in Quebec to the Conservative campaign this week. Specifically, Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe has been highly critical of Tory plans to try offenders as young as 14 as adults, as well as government cuts to arts funding.

“What Harper did this week was give Gilles Duceppe a stick to beat him with, and he proceeded to beat him with great vigour,” Mr. Donolo said. “We see the result is the Bloc, which started the campaign on the ropes … is essentially back up to where they were the last election.”

At the same time, the poll numbers suggest that Mr. Harper's announcements this week seem to have moved some Liberal voters into the Tory camp outside of Quebec.

The pollsters note that seat projections should be taken as an indication of campaign trends, rather than exact predictions of how an individual riding will vote. The projections are created by blending polling data gathered over the last three days with riding results from the last election. They do not take into account local factors such as the perceived strengths or weaknesses of individual candidates.

Another factor is that these ridings were among the tightest in 2006. That means projected Liberal seat losses to the Conservatives are more pronounced. Because Liberal support nationally is down from 2006, these ridings would be among the first to change hands – they could be viewed as “low-hanging fruit” for the Conservatives, Mr. Donolo said. Other non-Conservative ridings where the margins of victory were higher will be harder for the Tories to win.

The seat projections show the movement of seats from the Liberals to the Conservatives will come largely from B.C. and Ontario regions in the 519 and 905 area codes.

In British Columbia, the Tories are projected to win all 10 of the ridings being tracked, taking six from the Liberals and two from the NDP; the other two were already Tory.

In the 20 Ontario ridings being tracked daily, the Conservatives are projected to win 17 and the NDP three. In the 15 Quebec ridings, there would be comparatively less change. Two Liberal seats are projected to become Bloc-held ridings and another to go from Bloc to Conservative.

“Do they have a majority based on this?” asked Mr. Donolo rhetorically of the Conservative seat projections. “They're certainly headed in that direction, but based on these seats alone, they wouldn't have a majority.”

 
 
And, day after day, week after week, there are polls:

Ekos offers a seat projection:
EKOS’ SEAT PROJECTION - SEPTEMBER 26, 2008
 
BQ ON TRACK TO BIG QUEBEC WIN

[OTTAWA – September 26, 2008] – We offer this seat projection, based on our latest EKOS tracking poll, released earlier today. Most strikingly, the projection shows the Bloc Québécois resuming its dominance in Quebec. For the moment, the Tory prospects for a Quebec breakthrough do not seem as ripe as they were when the campaign began.

Also notable is the apparent Liberal improvement in Ontario, where they have closed the gap with the Conservatives somewhat since our last projection a week ago.

The NDP also has very strong prospects for improving their standing in Ontario, based on this projection.

Meanwhile, the Tories do not quite have the majority they seek, but are achingly close.

Although the ranking of the parties in terms of seats remains the same as it did in the outgoing parliament, there is much less spread between them than there was previously.

Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton could both construct plausible scenarios in which they might emerge as Leader of the Opposition after this election, based on relatively modest shifts in public support in the remaining weeks of the campaign, and depending, of course, on splits in individual ridings.

As always, we caution that seat projections have inherent limitations. However, this projection offers a plausible scenario of what might happen if Canadians voted as they told us they intend to do over the last few days.

BQ: 55 (+4 from the 23 Jan 06 general election)
Cons: 148 (+24 “ ) (155 seats required for a majority – a difference of 7 from this projection)
Greens: 0 (NC “ )
Libs: 66 (-37 “ )
NDP: 38 (+9 “ )
Other: 1 (NC “ )

The Ekos data for 26 Sep is:

BQ: 10% (NC)
Cons: 35% (-1)
Greens: 10% (-1)
Libs: 25% (NC)
NDP: 20% (+1)
Undecided: 8%
Will not vote: 4%

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There is no new data from Harris-Decima or Nanos

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There are two more weeks available for Harper to:

1. Beat back the Liberals in Ontario – for another 3 or 4 seats;

2. Beat back the BQ in Québec for another 2 or 3 seats; and

3. Beat back the NDP in BC for another 1 or 2 seats.

Essentially, Harper has to run three separate and distinct campaigns and hope that he can prevent to much ‘cross pollination’ of his (necessarily) mixed messages.

Harper can have an effective majority with 154 seats IF Peter Milliken (Liberal) is re-elected in Kingston and is re-elected as Speaker because, by parliamentary convention, the speaker votes only to break a tie and he votes for the status quo which, almost always, means he votes to support the government.


Edit: typo
 
Wonder why Harper is taking such a beating in Quebec over the Youth Crime bill, yet it played well elsewhere....The Bloc is using it as a lever to pry out support quite effectively....

Maybe the CPC is peaking too early...
 
Québecers have, traditionally, taken a different approach to crime and punishment – especially youth crime and punishment. The data I have seen would seem to indicate that Québec’s ‘softer’ approach works at least as well, maybe better, than various ‘harder’ alternatives. Québecers are, It appears to me quite proud of their ‘system’ and its good (at least not too bad) results and resent criticisms from the rest of us.

Given the relative ‘stability’ of all the polls, Conservatives ‘up’ only slightly above the margin of error and the NDP gaining most from the Liberals’ precipitous decline, I think Harper has just enough time to win a bare majority IF he campaigns hard – at least three quite distinct and separate campaigns, really, with considerable risk of (incorrectly) mixing messages and targets. He has to get a big share of that 8% ‘undecided’ vote and he has to shake loose a few thousand NDP, Liberal and BQ voters in each of a few ridings. If he has ‘peaked’ now, with two weeks to go, then he has failed. He needs to keep this level of support and improve upon it over the next two weeks – the ‘peak’ has to come on 14 Oct, when Canadians look at the choices on their ballot.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail is and essay (opinion piece) on another of those real issues, fiscal policy and management, that will not be debated:

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Where the surplus went
Why do we teeter on the brink of new deficits? Our allergy to red ink and our anchorless policy-making.

HEATHER SCOFFIELD

From Saturday's Globe and Mail
September 27, 2008 at 12:00 AM EDT

It's worth remembering that during Canada's last recession, the federal government had no compunctions about running a deficit to spend the country back to recovery.

In 1993 alone, Ottawa raised spending by $8-billion, saw its revenues shrink by $2-billion and watched its deficit grow by $7-billion, reaching a record high $39-billion.

Fiscal policy has been overshadowed by that experience ever since. In the 1990s, policy-makers eradicated the deficit; in the 2000s, they avoided a repeat.

Now, though, Canada is flirting with recession once again. Deficit financing is not an option; memories are still too raw. But there is no room to manoeuvre; the surpluses are now hovering around zero.

How did it come to this? The Finance Department's fiscal tables show that Ottawa has been so busy cutting cheques and cutting taxes that it has wiped out about $60-billion a year in potential surpluses that could have been directed to tackle any number of problems.

While the Conservatives may be blaming the Liberals, and the Liberals blaming the Conservatives, the key to the disappearing surplus lies in the frequency of elections.

Since 2000, we have had four federal elections. We have also watched federal surpluses dwindle from a peak of $20-billion in 2000, to nothing at all this year - or perhaps even a deficit.

Where did it all go? Much of it went to pre-election or campaign attempts to woo voters with their own money - either through income-tax cuts and health-care transfers by the Liberals, or through cuts to the Goods and Services Tax, increased military spending and too-numerous-to-mention small but targeted programs and tax incentives by the Tories.

"There has been no master plan in how to deal with the surplus," says Peter Dungan, professor of economics at the University of Toronto.

If taxation policies were the same now as in 2000, and spending patterns had stayed the same too, Ottawa would be showing an enormous $60-billion operating surplus this year.

"We reduced the debt, we reduced the tax level, and spending was running at a pretty good clip. It looked like Christmas," said Dale Orr, chief economist at forecasting firm Global Insight Canada.

Spending has gone from 12.1 per cent of the size of Canada's economy in 2000, to above 13 per cent now. The climb is worth about $15-billion in extra annual spending, with the total bill officially forecast to surpass $208-billion this fiscal year.

Because of tax cuts, revenues have declined from 18.1 per cent of the economy in 2000, to just 15.1 per cent this year — the lowest since 1963. The decline means a loss of about $40-billion a year.

Add to that a few billion that would have been saved on debt charges if all that extra money had gone to paying down debt, and we're facing a $60-billion-a-year fund of forgone opportunities.

Instead, the 2008-09 surplus, according to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, will come in around $3-billion - slightly above the $2.3-billion projected in the last budget.

Or, according to some economists, it will be close to zero or slightly less, especially if commodity prices continue to slide and the U.S. financial crisis strikes at Canadian corporate profits, which in turn hurts Ottawa's revenue stream. Others disagree and say our economy still has enough momentum to pay for the government's spending and tax plans, but warn that next year will be a close call.

It's too easy, however, to say the surplus has been squandered. Canadians do have something to show for their taxation money in the past eight years.

Substantial increases in transfers to the provinces have meant that provincial budgets are now far healthier, and federal-provincial bickering has dropped to a dull roar.

Much of the federal transfer money was earmarked for health care, and indeed, health care is not in as dire financial straits as in 2000. Ditto for education.

Provincial governments and users of the health care system may not be happy, but Ottawa's efforts were not futile. The money has prevented conditions from deteriorating further.

"Our schools and our hospitals are in better shape than they would have been otherwise," concedes Jim Stanford, economist for the Canadian Auto Workers.

The military is far stronger than it was a decade ago, and the public service has been revived.

As for taxes, they are much lower than in the 1990s. Corporate taxes are low enough to make Canada relatively competitive globally. Personal income taxes have come down steadily. And consumption taxes - namely the Goods and Services Tax - have fallen too.

The last round of tax cuts, announced last November, were particularly well timed to help stimulate a flagging economy.

A reasonable argument can be made that Canadians were overtaxed in the 1990s, and the logical thing for Ottawa to do with its newfound surpluses of the new century was to cut taxes and give some of its extra money back. Mr. Flaherty makes that very argument.

But both tax cuts and spending increases have come about so haphazardly, driven mainly by calculations of election timing and vote-getting, that fiscal policy has become visionless.

Large spending initiatives come mostly in the form of cutting bigger cheques for provinces or income-support programs. Tax-cutting exercises mainly involve cutting tax rates, or introducing small, targeted measures here and there, rather than overall reform and re-evaluation of how people and economic activity are taxed.

At the heart of the problem is a lack of a firm goal or anchor to rein in fiscal policy. In the 1990s, Canada was obsessed with abolishing the deficit - an obsession that kept spending under control, determined the burden of taxation and forced government initiatives to be organized behind one goal.

Now, with the bounty of surpluses, the only firm discipline on a finance minister is a collective bad memory from the 1990s: Canadians are so allergic to deficits that any politician who incurs one knows he will pay a steep price.

On the surface, this fear may resemble a discipline of sorts on spending and tax cuts. But in practice, it has led both Conservative and Liberal governments into less than ideal spending patterns.

Since the unwritten rule of budgeting in Ottawa is that a deficit must always be avoided, the bias in the Finance Department's calculations always favours a surplus.

So at the end of the fiscal year, the federal government - under both the Liberals and the Conservatives - has frequently found itself with more money than it counted on. So instead of saving the money somehow, or putting it toward the debt, the government frantically spends it in the last couple of months of the fiscal year.

The Liberals were chastised frequently - by the opposition parties and by the auditor-general - for their trust funds and end-of-year transfers that diminished the surplus.

But the Conservatives have set up their own versions of the Liberals' infamous trusts, which show up on the books as one-time expenses or one-time transfers to the provinces. In the 2006-07 fiscal year, they had about $9-billion in such spending, falling to $2.4-billion in 2007-08.

The beauty of these one-time expenses is that they don't hamper the country's fiscal capacity in future years - and that's important nowadays, when the cupboard is looking increasingly bare. But the year-end spending is often the result of a back-of-the-envelope strategy meant only to meet short-term goals. It sucks fiscal energy away from focusing on the larger, longer-term needs of the country.

Don Drummond, the chief economist at Toronto-Dominion Bank and a former top Finance bureaucrat, feels fiscal policy has lost its way, and nothing proves that more than the year-end bonanzas.

"The necessity in the 1990s to eliminate the deficit and lower the debt burden gave fiscal policy in Canada an anchor that was pursued with almost singular focus. But once surpluses were recorded, that anchor was lost," he says. "The focus on short-term budgeting, and particularly the habit of blowing money out the door at the last minute to avoid large surpluses, has killed any sort of rational fiscal planning."

Now, as the economy stagnates and the government's revenue flows are no longer as dependable, the vote-buying fiscal policy approach of the past eight years is constrained.

But constraint is not what the people look for in government at a time of major financial upheaval and economic slowdown. It's notable that in an election campaign where economic angst figures prominently, neither of the two leading parties have staked their fortunes on pitching a rescue plan for Canada's economy. They can't afford to. Instead, they talk about their records of fiscal management.

Parts of Canada may need fiscal support more now than at any time since the last recession in the early 1990s. But the directionless fiscal policy of this politically charged decade has curtailed Ottawa's effectiveness.

One solution, offers Mr. Stanford, would be to depoliticize fiscal policy, as the Netherlands has done. There, he says, an independent bureau of the legislature puts together the fiscal forecast, makes recommendations and seeks multiparty support to implement the recommendations.

He marvels at how quickly Canada has gone from slaying a deficit and recording large surpluses to being on the edge of falling into the red again.

"It's a symptom of how short-term and politicized our fiscal system has become, that we're come close to deficit so quickly."

I think that Canadians are wise to demand that politicians avoid deficits. Debt, in and of itself, is not always a bad thing – many of us went into big time debt when, for example, we took out a mortgage on a house. That is a productive sort of debt; most of us, most of the time, ‘invested’ in our homes and we, mostly, paid of the debt as soon as we could and then enjoyed our property – property which is, in fact, wealth. But there is unproductive debt and too much of Canada’s nation debt results from the very nature of our political system which obliges politicians to buy our votes with our own money.

The huge surpluses of the '90s were a result of over-taxation. The near deficit of 2008 is a result of over-spending – not all of it bad.

Governments need to tax just enough to pay for current programmes and, steadily, pay down the national (or provincial) debt. The annual federal surplus, after a sum of, say, 1% of the national debt (which currently stands at about $535 Billion), should be a few hundred million dollars, at most. An occasional deficit of something less than $1 Billion is not a crime but it is nothing to celebrate, either. Obviously in crises (wars, for example) policy may dictate that large, continuous deficits are necessary. But as soon as the crisis is resolved (peace is restored) spending must contract until the debt to GDP ratio is at an acceptable level (20&% works for me). 

 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s National Post, is more evidence of the Liberals’ woes:

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=843634
Liberals keep watch on wallets
Time soon to cut campaign spending, insiders say

John Ivison, National Post

Published: Saturday, September 27, 2008

OTTAWA -Warp drive, the form of faster-than-light propulsion featured in Star Trek, is possible in theory, but because it would require the conversion of the equivalent of the mass of Jupiter into pure energy, is judged to be impractical.

At the end of the third week of the 2008 general election, a Stephane Dion victory is also considered possible, but just as improbable, according to people on his own team.

Professional pride and brand loyalty have prevented any senior Liberals involved in the current election campaign from throwing in the towel publicly but behind the scenes, they are a frustrated bunch who are resigned to a Conservative win.

"Many of us thought it was likely to happen but there were no options, no way round it," said one senior figure, who was frank about blaming Mr. Dion and his Green Shift plan for the party's unpopularity. "Staff and MPs all kept telling him it wasn't going to win him any votes."

Unfortunately for Liberal MPs and staffers, Mr. Dion has confirmed the observation of one astute 50-year veteran of Canada's political wars that the Liberal leader "lives in a bubble of his own self-narrative."

"Everyone knows it -- we've now got to hold onto the beach head," said another long-time Liberal.

Insiders suggest that discussions about reining in spending on the current campaign are are ongoing, as party executives weigh the prospect of saving seats against the need to conserve cash to fight another day.

Financial pressures are likely to build after this election because the party's biggest-single source of revenue -- the $1.75 it receives annually from the government for every vote cast -- is likely to fall in line with the slide in Liberal support.

According to the last Liberal accounts, the party received $8.5-million of its $12.7-million of revenue from its government allowance. If the Liberals vote falls in line with current polling, the party will see that figure cut by $2-million a year -- money they can scarcely afford to lose, since they recorded a deficit of $1.7-million last year. This, after all, is a party that spends 50¢ to raise $1 in donations, according to its own financial figures.

The real world impact on the current campaign could be on advertising budgets in the last week of the campaign. Since Mr. Dion does not have sole discretion over Liberal spending, it may well be that when he goes to his party executives asking for last minute air support, they turn him down.

This has happened in previous campaigns, such as the 2003 Ontario election, where the brakes were applied to spending on the Ernie Eves campaign, according to one person who was there.

"It became clear after the leaders' debate that his numbers weren't moving, so we pulled the plug and saved the party $2-million on advertising," he said. "That's why you have campaign managers and candidates. The candidate always has to believe that they can win but a good manager takes a wider view."

The first public evidence of a spending crunch will likely be seen at local level, where campaigns that have so far been subordinate to the national effort are quietly told to do whatever they can to save their own seat. For the most part, this is likely to mean expunging any mention of Mr. Dion or his Green Shift.

Liberals are placing their last hopes on a break out performance by Mr. Dion in the leaders' debate next week.

They have been cheered by Stephen Harper's "divisive and nasty" response to protests in the artistic community about cuts to a number of cultural programs, which they believe is hurting the Tories in Quebec. Even senior Conservatives despair at the Prime Minister's insistence on making the fight over the arts an ideological one. "The [Canadian Heritage] department was charged with finding the 5% lowest performing, lowest priority spending. The story here is people receiving money being unhappy their particular funds have been cut. But to go from there to a culture war is just dumb."

The Conservatives maintain bashing the air-kissing elites is good business in English Canada but it's clear that the re-emergence of the Prime Minister's Mr. Mean persona is boosting support for the Bloc Quebecois in Quebec. Mr. Dion must hope that he can get under Mr. Harper's skin in the debate and provoke a similarly angry response.

The more likely scenario is that the Conservative leader will revert to being "Even Stephen" and emerge with his winning margin, which some Liberals whisper is even larger than the public polls suggest, intact.

Mr. Dion might yet prove his doubters wrong but the odds are becoming as long as the prospect of him driving to work in a car powered by dilithium crystals.

jivison@nationalpost.com


But we must remember Harold Wilson’s dictum that a week is a long time in politics and we have more than two weeks to go. The Conservatives have plenty of time to make serious errors and the Liberals can still turn things around - if they hurry.

 
Bear in mind, please, that this story – reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act – is from today’s Red Toronto Star:

http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/507484
Harper edges closer to majority

TORONTO STAR/ANGUS REID POLL

40% Conservatives
21% Liberals
21% NDP
10% Bloc
7% Green

Margin of error: 2.5%, 19 times out of 20.
Sample size: 1,508 respondents.
Conducted: Sept. 24–25.


TONDA MACCHARLES

OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA–The Conservatives have a tenuous grasp on a majority government, while the Liberals and New Democrats are in a dead heat for second place, a new poll shows.

The survey, conducted for theToronto Star by Angus Reid Strategies, found that 40 per cent of Canadians would vote Conservative if an election were held tomorrow.

The Liberals under Stéphane Dion continue to drop, losing core supporters to the Tories as well as to the other parties. For the first time in the campaign, the Liberals and New Democrats, under Jack Layton, are tied at 21 per cent support. The Greens register 7 per cent support nationally.

There are several stories in the poll, which plumbed the views of 1,508 Canadians at the end of the third week of the campaign for the Oct. 14 election. In fact, the horse race is becoming an issue itself: The poll suggests Canadians are now seriously weighing what a majority Conservative government under Harper would mean.

In a speech yesterday, Harper stopped just short of saying voters should give him a majority government to protect the health of the economy.

"They can choose a strong government to keep Canada on track," Harper said. "Or they can choose a weak Parliament that will put our economic stability at risk."

Harper later told reporters he would like to see a Parliament "where we could ensure stability for some time to come, and where the opposition parties could be focused on making a positive contribution to the government's agenda rather than just trying to defeat the government at every turn or tear the government down or attack the economy of the country."

In Ontario, the Conservatives have taken a 12-point lead over the Liberals, 39 per cent to 27 per cent. The NDP are close behind the Liberals, at 25 per cent. The Greens register at 7 per cent.

The nationwide popular support needed to form a majority depends on how the vote is split among parties. Pollsters and analysts agree that 40 per cent places Harper squarely in majority territory, with sufficient popular support to win the 155 seats required for a majority government in the 308-seat House of Commons.

However, the poll shows voters could still scupper it through strategically voting to block Tory candidates.

Most respondents (66 per cent) believe a Harper-led majority would expand private health care and cut arts funding (64 per cent).

Nationwide, a majority do not believe Harper would recriminalize abortion or repeal same-sex marriage. But in Quebec, where the Tories hope to win seats from the Bloc Québécois, most Bloc voters believe a Conservative majority would do just those things.

The Bloc, which runs candidates only in Quebec, has regained its strength, and now leads again in that province, with 39 per cent support (10 per cent in the national calculations), compared to the Conservatives' 27 per cent.

The Liberals in Quebec are at 15 per cent support, and the NDP at 12 per cent.

Heading into the second half of the campaign, with the leaders' televised debates coming up on Wednesday (French-language) and Thursday (English-language), much is at stake as voters ponder a Conservative majority.

More than half of Liberal voters (54 per cent), and almost half of NDP (47 per cent), and Green (44 per cent) voters would seriously consider "strategically" switching their votes against their preferred candidate if it looks like another party has a better shot at winning, and could block a Conservative.

That's a worry not just for Harper, but for Dion too, says Mario Canseco, of the Angus Reid firm.

"When you look at it, there are 60 per cent of Canadians who don't want to vote for the Tories," said Canseco.

The problem for Harper's rivals is that his opposition is split among four parties in key regions, he said.

The traditional Liberal base is eroding, and "as the campaign progresses, Layton is really gaining and seen as a much more interesting leader while Dion is struggling badly," Canseco said.

Harper remains ahead of Dion and Layton in most questions on leadership qualities. The Conservative leader is seen as strong and decisive, with a vision for Canada's future, and as a good economic manager. More than half of respondents believe Dion cares for the environment, but he falters badly in the other categories.

Dion said yesterday he's not paying heed to questions about his leadership or the campaign, including doubts in the Liberal ranks.

"I don't worry at all because I'm fighting in this race for my country. And I know that Liberals are everywhere to fight for our country," he said.

Layton's weakness remains economic management. Just 16 per cent regard the NDP leader as someone who can steer the economy effectively.

When it comes to who is the preferred prime minister, Harper gets the nod from 33 per cent, Layton is at 18 per cent, and Dion at 9 per cent. (Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe scores 3 per cent and Green Leader Elizabeth May 2 per cent.)

Dion's poor performance registers when you look at the intentions of voters who cast ballots for the Liberal party in the 2006 election: 21 per cent now say they will vote Conservative, 13 per cent will vote NDP, and 6 per cent say they'll vote Green.

Harper's leadership has not shown a lot of positive momentum, but Dion is doing worse.

The Tories' 40 per cent approval rating is a two-point increase in just a week, and four points higher than its showing in the 2006 election, when the Tories won 36.3 per cent of the popular vote.

The Liberals at 21 per cent are nine points below their 2006 election showing (30.2 per cent).

A clear shift is the move among women now willing to vote Conservative (34 per cent).

Support among women for the Liberals has dropped to 21 per cent, said Canseco. The NDP polls higher among women at 26 per cent.

The survey of 1,508 Canadians was conducted Wednesday and Thursday, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

With files from Robert Benzie, Les Whittington and Bruce Campion-Smith


I don’t think anyone else has put the Liberals quite this low (21%). Maybe the story is intended to frighten lefties into voting Liberal to stave off a Conservative majority. That’s Taliban Jack Layton’s worst nightmare.

 
And yet another report on the decline of the Liberal Party of Canada, this one is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Ottawa Citizen:

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Fortress to flophouse?
A new poll shows support for the Grits is evaporating across the country. Has the once impregnable Liberal Party of Canada mortgaged its hold on power?

Andrew Duffy
The Ottawa Citizen

Saturday, September 27, 2008

In politics, eight years can be an eternity.

Consider that in November 2000, the Liberal party cruised to its third consecutive majority government. The win extended the Liberal stranglehold on power, giving the party its 16th victory in 24 campaigns.

The right-wing vote was fractured between the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservatives which contributed to the Liberal haul in Ontario, where the party won 100 of 103 seats.

In Quebec, the contest was a two-party race with the Liberals (36 seats) and Bloc Québécois (38 seats) dividing the spoils.

So strong was the Liberal hold on power that some politicians and academics argued it could only be broken by a proportional voting system to replace the "first-past-the-post" system that had been in place since Confederation.

There was talk of Gritlock, Liberal hegemony and the perils of a one-party state.

Eight years on, the political landscape has been transformed.

The once indomitable Liberal party has been thrust into the role of underdog in this election: the Liberals trail the ruling Conservatives in every major national poll and seem destined to lose even more ground in Quebec, a province that used to vault them into government.

A Harris/Decima poll this week placed the Liberals in fourth place in British Columbia, behind the Conservatives, NDP and Green party. An Ipsos Reid poll done for Canwest News Service and Global National and released yesterday showed the party of Laurier and Trudeau in danger of being replaced as the official Opposition by the New Democratic Party.

The party must now compete for votes against the NDP and Green party on the left even as Stephen Harper's Conservatives encroach further on the centre. The party's finances are a mess, its leader is under assault and its main policy plank, a carbon tax, will not float with an electorate worried about a sinking economy.

Things are now so bad that some analysts believe the Liberals are about to enter an extended -- eight year? -- wander through the political wilderness.

Globe and Mail columnist Margaret Wente declared this week: "What we have here is a train wreck. It's the wreck of the Liberal party as we know it."

In the National Post, former Liberal party president Stephen LeDrew announced on Wednesday: "Barring a miracle -- that intermittent visitor to political campaigns -- the Liberals are going to take a drubbing in this election, which is exactly what they need in order to survive as a viable national force."

As the federal campaign moves beyond the halfway mark, the fate of the Liberal party has emerged as a critical political question to be answered by this election. It's a question that raises others: How did things go so bad so fast? Is their situation really as desperate as it seems? And finally, what would a Liberal train wreck mean for Canada?

Eight years ago, facing an inexperienced Stockwell Day and riding the crest of economic expansion, prime minister Jean Chrétien's Liberal government appeared impregnable.

But political scientist Richard Johnston contends the Liberals were never the fortress they seemed. "The strength of the Liberal party even then was a bit of an illusion: they were turning in parliamentary majorities all right, but they were doing so with shares of the popular vote between 38 and 40 per cent."

Historically, that level of support would result in a minority government, but the opposition vote was so fractured that the Liberals' win total was magnified.

"The strength of the Liberal situation eight years ago was to a great extent, a function of the weakness of the Conservatives situation," says Mr. Johnston, a former University of British Columbia political scientist now at the University of Pennsylvania. "And we -- I certainly define myself as a guilty party here -- were skeptical that a reasonably consolidated Conservative party could be put back together."

Stephen Harper, of course, engineered just that kind of consolidation after deciding in August 2001 to re-enter federal politics. In quick succession, he won the Canadian Alliance leadership, reunited the party with a band of rebel MPs, merged the Alliance with the Progressive Conservatives, and won the leadership contest of the new Conservative party.

"People should realize how skilled Harper is: he is a dangerously effective leader," says Conrad Winn, a Carleton University political scientist and pollster.

Mr. Harper's tactical acumen has hastened the Liberals' decline, but much of their damage has been self-inflicted. Indeed, before he left office, Jean Chrétien willed to his party three time bombs that would prove disastrous to Liberal fortunes: the sponsorship scandal, campaign finance reform and a toxic succession drama.

The sponsorship scandal exposed corruption within a government program aimed at raising Canada's profile in Quebec. Auditor General Sheila Fraser found that up to $100 million had been awarded to Liberal-friendly advertising firms and Crown corporations for little or no work.

The scandal deeply offended Quebecers and scarred the image of Liberals in that province.

But the sponsorship scandal had other important consequences. In 2003, in response to the excesses it exposed, Mr. Chrétien put in place rules that banned corporate donations to political parties (corporations can donate $1,000 to individual candidates). It means parties now have to rely on individual donors and federal grants tied to national vote totals, rather than large corporate donations.

But the Conservatives have proven much more adept at winning contributions from grassroots supporters than centrist Liberals.

"Generally speaking, money goes from ideologues to ideologues, and people who are middle of the road don't care enough to give money," says Mr. Winn.

In the first six months of this year, for example, the Conservatives raised $8.5 million to the Liberals' $1.8 million.

Last year, according to returns filed with Election Canada, the Liberals had to borrow $2 million to meet operating expenses since the party received only $4.47 million in contributions. The Conservatives raised more than three times as much.

The new rules have altered the balance of power, offering Conservatives the chance to exercise their financial muscle between elections when spending rules do not apply. The Conservatives, for instance, launched ad campaigns earlier this year to negatively define the Liberals' Green Shift environmental program.

The sponsorship scandal also deepened the rift between Mr. Chrétien and his successor, Paul Martin, that had divided the Liberal party. One of Mr. Martin's first acts as prime minister in February 2004 was to call a federal inquiry into the sponsorship affair in the belief that the scandal could be pinned on the Chrétien Liberals.

But the fallout from the inquiry was not so easily contained. Judge John Gomery's preliminary report, in November 2005, castigated the Chrétien government for creating a program so poorly designed as to invite abuse. The findings triggered an election and set the stage for the January 2006 vote that brought Mr. Harper to power in a minority Conservative government. In that election, the Conservatives capitalized on the scandal to make a breakthrough in Quebec where they won 10 seats and placed second in 40 more.

Once in power, Mr. Harper was quick to woo more votes in seat-rich Quebec. He devised in November 2006 a resolution that declared the Québécois a nation within Canada, and then answered Quebec's concerns about the "fiscal imbalance" by transferring billions of tax dollars to the provinces in 2007.

The result today is that the Conservatives lead the Liberals in most Quebec ridings outside of Montreal; the Bloc Québécois remains the dominant party in the province, but is leaking support.

Concluded pollster Nik Nanos this week: "If the trend continues, we are looking at a major realignment in the province of Quebec with Canada's federal parties improving their voter mind share and the Conservatives most likely to pick up seats at this point in time."

Few but the most diehard Liberal supporters doubt that their party is in a dangerous position. The Liberals risk losing their historic place as the federalist alternative in Quebec and risk being eclipsed by the NDP in British Columbia.

"Things are potentially dire for the Liberals because you have so many things happening at once," says Mr. Winn.

The Conservatives, he says, have a skilled leader; the NDP has positioned itself as an alternative to the Liberals; the Liberals remain wounded in Quebec by the sponsorship scandal; the party itself is demoralized.

How bad could it get for the Liberals?

"The nightmare scenario," Mr. Winn contends, "is a decline into poverty."

That scenario has already been tabled by University of Calgary political scientist Tom Flanagan, a former Conservative campaign manager, who has predicted that this election will seriously aggravate the Liberals' financial position. Nine of the party's leading figures, including Mr. Dion, are still paying off more than $1 million in debt incurred during the party's leadership race in December 2006. Those debts could still be outstanding if and when the Liberals reconvene for a leadership convention to replace Mr. Dion, Mr. Flanagan noted in a recent commentary.

"Destruction of the Liberals is not at hand," he wrote. "There will be further sequels to this movie. But if the Liberals are not careful, they, like the federal Progressive Conservatives of sainted memory, could be pushed into a financial pit they can never climb out of."

Carleton University political scientist Richard Nimijean predicted in a 2006 essay that the collapse of the Liberals' traditional "Brand Canada" could trigger significant political realignment.

Brand Canada, he said, was a successful strategy that knitted Liberal party values to Canadian ones. Among other things, it positioned the Liberals as the only party able to manage Quebec nationalism.

But Mr. Martin, in his eagerness to turn the page on the Chrétien years and present himself as a new kind of leader, undermined the Liberal brand, Mr. Nimijean argued.

The party, he says, has never recovered -- and political realignment has come to pass.

"Once you start to question your own brand, then that creates opportunity, and Harper has been quite good at exploiting that," says Mr. Nimijean, who's now studying Mr. Harper's attempt to present his government's brand of conservatism as "the new Canadian consensus."

According to Richard Johnston, the danger now for the Liberals is that Mr. Harper will be able to prove, with time, that his party can also manage the country's relationship with Quebec.

"If you can keep the Liberals out of power for long enough -- I can't tell you how long it is -- then they can't make that claim that they're the only ones who can manage that relationship," he says. "If they lose that claim, they don't really have any other -- other than that they're a moderate voice."

Although damaged, the Liberal brand remains strong enough to survive an election defeat. The party has proven itself resilient after crushing losses in the 1984 (40 seats) and 1958 (48 seats) elections. The party has a storied history and the allegiance of some of the best political minds in the country.

What's more, with two-and-a-half weeks left in the campaign, there is still time to reverse the Liberals' poll trends, but Mr. Dion needs a strong showing in the leaders' debates this week or some kind of Conservative misstep.

Curiously, though, not all Liberals are eager for that kind of turnaround.

Former party president Mr. LeDrew said this week that to avoid extinction, the Liberal party needs to take a beating in the Oct. 14 election. Only then, he said, will Liberals realize the need for a new playbook, one that no longer relies on casting Mr. Harper as dangerous neo-conservative.

"To regain their relevance," he wrote, "Liberals will have to think beyond their traditional tenets, created in the 1950s and 60s ... Liberals must decide what it means to be a Liberal in the 21st century, what needs to be achieved in the new financial, industrial and communications fields and what needs to be done to allow citizens to flourish in this new society."

Mr. Winn believes the political landscape, which has changed so markedly in eight years, is about to go through another major convulsion.

"At the rate things are going," he says, "I think this election is becoming a critical election, an election that changes the fundamental party loyalties of people. Almost the unforeseeable may be happening: the Conservatives rising to become the dominant party of the next generation."

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008​

Those of us who are long time Conservative partisans will know that the Liberal Party of Canada is a strong and formidable machine. It will “not go gentle into that good night.” It will lick its wounds and “rage, rage against the dying of the light” for a few days but then cool heads will rebuild and, probably, regain power – which is, in our system, how it should be.

Stephen Harper hopes, eventually, to reshape Canadian politics so it looks more like its US and UK cousins with strong parties of the centre right and centre left. But Harper hopes that the centre left party will be an amalgam of the Liberals and the NDP and will be too far left for many Liberals who will join a demonstrably more moderate Conservative Party.



 
"The nightmare scenario," Mr. Winn contends, "is a decline into poverty."

If the CPC is to win even a small majority, they could deliver the killing stroke by simply eliminating the $1.75/vote subsidy and insist that all parties can only live from contributions from individual taxpayers. The Bloc would only have enough money to register a candidate in each riding in Quebec, and the Liberals would be submerged under almost unmanageable amounts of debt (they can hardly keep their heads above water now).

Like I have predicted before, the real crunch might be finding anyone with the required amount of drive and talent willing to do the job of rebuilding the LPC, and the time factor; can they rebuild fast enough to keep ahead of the NDP and Greens? The collapse of the Liberals might actually be swift and total, like the implosion of the former Soviet Union (or the disappearance of the Progressive Conservative party in Canada. Only 12 people are running under the Progressive Canadian banner this time.)
 
E.R. Campbell said:
I have two problems:
Really?
E.R. Campbell said:
Islam, even radical fundamentalist Islam,  is NOT the enemy. Those who suggest it is are helping to lose the real war which is against movements that are characterized, in part, by being Islamic. But, these movements – though their leaders may want to see a strict, fundamentalist version of Islam imposed on everyone – are really all about politics, especially Middle Eastern, dynastic politics. They are not about Islam. Islam is not our enemy. Those who suggest Islam is the enemy are wrong – dreadfully and dangerously wrong, and they are giving aid and comfort to the real enemy.
Isn't that a distinction without a difference? Whether Islam is the cause or the unifying excuse matters little. It is an important factor.
E.R. Campbell said:
The ‘war on terror’ is a silly idea. Terror is a weapon – usually used by those with limited power – but it is a weapon we have used and may have to use again. What on earth do you think Churchill meant when he said (to SOE and the other ‘raiding’ organizations) “Set Europe ablaze!” Do you think he planned a birthday bash for the Germans? Not at all, he authorized and launched a campaign of terrorism – and it worked, since ‘we’ had quite limited power at the time it was the best available weapon.
The problem is that wars of days gone wars were waged by states against states. The formation of the United Nations (to its very limited credit) has eliminated most but not all wars between nation-states. That of course does not banish hatred from the world. Haters use terror rather than state power to punish those they hate. Unless one is going to indiscriminately turn the Middle East into a parking lot one must wage war on terror.
E.R. Campbell said:
We do want to erase some/most of the nihilistic terrorist groups that serve those generally Arabic, Extremist, Fundamentalist Islamic and Medievalist movements that are our real enemies, but a 'war on terror' is an error; it is just plain dumb.
OK, how would you define it?
 
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