"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is looking to fill a fixed wing pilot inventory in various locations ..."

[The Bread Guy]

RCMP's looking for pilots (posting also attached) ....

Fixed Wing Pilot (LES-PT-01)

emploisfp-psjobs.cfp-psc.gc.ca

... The employee is responsible for:
• providing support for a variety of airborne law enforcement operational activities, such as, but not limited to; flying aircraft for reconnaissance/ surveillance, integrated cross-border law enforcement operations, tracking criminals, rescuing and evacuating injured persons;

• assisting with prisoner and deportation escorts, detention of prisoners before or after flights, and transportation of operational members, exhibits and other hazardous materials in accordance with the Transport Canada issued Equivalency Certificate; and

• provide relief duties at other air bases and participate in major events ...

... In order to be considered, your application must clearly explain how you meet the following (essential qualifications)

A secondary school diploma

Degree equivalency

LICENSES/CERTIFICATIONS
Licenses/Certifications for a Fixed Wing Pilot:
• Fixed-wing pilots must possess: A valid Canadian Airline Transport Pilot's License (ATPL) or a Commercial Pilot's License (CPL), with a group 1 or 3 Instrument Flight Rating.
• An unrestricted Category I Transport Canada medical validation certificate.

EXPERIENCE
You must have a minimum of 3000 hours of Pilot-in-Command flight time
Note: Only selected candidates must provide a photocopy of the last three pages of their pilot's logbook

If you possess any of the following, your application must also clearly explain how you meet it (other qualifications)​

EXPERIENCE
a) Recent IFR experience - within the previous five-year period
b) Pilatus PC12 experience
c) Northern Operations experience
d) Light Category Turboprop experience
e) Recent flight experience - within the previous five-year period
f) Air Ambulance/Medivac
g) Charter Pilot
h) Airborne Surveillance Experience
i) Coastal Float and/or Amphibious experience ...

 

[Good2Golf]

Good luck with that. 3K+ hour captains on PC-12s generally don’t hang around in Canada for 70-80K USD…

Pilatus PC12 Pilot Salary in Los Angeles, CA | Salary.com

What is the salary of Pilatus PC12 Pilot in Los Angeles, CA? See 2024 average salary for Pilatus PC12 Pilot on Salary.com.

www.salary.com

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That was my salary range in 2013-2019, and I was not flying an aircraft in the north. They will certainly need to up that wage.

 

[Good2Golf]

That was my salary range in 2013-2019, and I was not flying an aircraft in the north. They will certainly need to up that wage.

They won’t. They’ve been chronically understaffed for a very long time. I spoke with both their PC-12 pilots and their C206 pilots…those that have stayed are closer to retirement and just want to finish off an RCMP pension. They’re not thrilled with things, but they don’t have the energy to head to the states and pull in $200-250k CAD.

 

[OldSolduer]

I flew in a Pilatus RCMP plane - very cool plane.

 

[Booter]

I ran some of their training, the non flying portion, in 2016 (I believe that was the year we transitioned them to the armed) I recall the candidates I spoke with weren’t super pleased with the direction of the program. I don’t know if that culture change ever really took.

they get some allowances, the guys I work with often seem like they like their jobs- but really the expectations on them are constantly drifting and there is some uncertainty around their future and they constantly need more planes and always seem to have less.

I once landed blacked out in a serious cross wind, so much that we basically landed sideways with me looking down the runway out the side window, into a tiny blacked out airport while a local shot at the plane. It’s not a retirement gig in some places.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They won’t. They’ve been chronically understaffed for a very long time. I spoke with both their PC-12 pilots and their C206 pilots…those that have stayed are closer to retirement and just want to finish off an RCMP pension. They’re not thrilled with things, but they don’t have the energy to head to the states and pull in $200-250k CAD.

One of my Hovercraft Captains, beside being a Master Mariner, had also been a airline pilot and flew bushplanes in New Guinea. This popped up in my feed and thought you might enjoy it.

 

[Good2Golf]

Nice. PC-6s are pretty robust machines. Other than being a bit close to the near-end threshold on his approach (less buffer if the winds change on him on very short final) he does a good job of things…like a curved runway.

 

[OldSolduer]

I ran some of their training, the non flying portion, in 2016 (I believe that was the year we transitioned them to the armed) I recall the candidates I spoke with weren’t super pleased with the direction of the program. I don’t know if that culture change ever really took.

they get some allowances, the guys I work with often seem like they like their jobs- but really the expectations on them are constantly drifting and there is some uncertainty around their future and they constantly need more planes and always seem to have less.

I once landed blacked out in a serious cross wind, so much that we basically landed sideways with me looking down the runway out the side window, into a tiny blacked out airport while a local shot at the plane. It’s not a retirement gig in some places.

Where did you deploy to? Somalia? Rwanda?

 

[Booter]

Where did you deploy to? Somalia? Rwanda?

manitoba

 

[OldSolduer]

manitoba

LOL yes I know the feeling minus the shooting.

 

[RedFive]

Where did you deploy to? Somalia? Rwanda?

My troop mate's first post out of Depot was Pukatawagan, Manitoba. His welcome to the community was his arrival flight into his new post being shot at by a local with an SKS.

Wild.

 

[brihard]

My troop mate's first post out of Depot was Pukatawagan, Manitoba. His welcome to the community was his arrival flight into his new post being shot at by a local with an SKS.

Wild.

field coach frantically ticks progress boxes

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

My troop mate's first post out of Depot was Pukatawagan, Manitoba. His welcome to the community was his arrival flight into his new post being shot at by a local with an SKS.

Wild.

I spent two weeks in Pond Inlet and stayed with one of Local RCMP Officers. His house along with the other Officers and their detachment were at the bottom of a steep hill which turned out to be great for plunging fire. Houses had some bullet holes in them as did the detachment and all the vehicles. He let me borrow his sled one day only to find out someone had siphoned all the gas out of it the night before.

Seemed like a real interesting place to work

I actually met the NCO in this aforementioned article:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/nunavut-paul-marenchuk-pepper-spray-acquittal-decision-1.4662729

Solid guy who gave off some serious Dirty Harry/Wild West Sheriff vibes. Things are just different up there in a way people from "down South" cannot comprehend.

 

[Alberta Bound]

A PT-01 starts at $117,000 going to 134,000 over 6 years. Eventually a pilot can get to PT-03 over their career and reach $167,000. Not a bad wage (plus benefits, pension) compared to many small operators or starting out at AC, WJ etc. AC starting salary (FO) was only $60,000 - 70,000 before the last settlement. But yes, no where near AC, WJ, and of course the US / Europe when you get seniority or become a Captain on larger aircraft.

The RCMP has always struggled with which employee category their pilots needed to be, PSE, CM, S/Cst or RM. Finally settling back at S/Cst. Like many areas of the RCMP at present. Leadership is lacking and there is an overriding M-F 9-5 perspective guiding decisions that is mainly driven by the senior PSEs who have too much voice at the table in Ottawa. Versus strong considerations of the necessary operational needs.

 

[Alberta Bound]

Solid Judge. Unfortunately similar incidents are quite common in many isolated and non isolated parts of Canada and not everyone has 500 officers, 350 support staff and access to every community service possible that are available in larger centres.

 

[brihard]

A PT-01 starts at $117,000 going to 134,000 over 6 years. Eventually a pilot can get to PT-03 over their career and reach $167,000. Not a bad wage (plus benefits, pension) compared to many small operators or starting out at AC, WJ etc. AC starting salary (FO) was only $60,000 - 70,000 before the last settlement. But yes, no where near AC, WJ, and of course the US / Europe when you get seniority or become a Captain on larger aircraft.

The RCMP has always struggled with which employee category their pilots needed to be, PSE, CM, S/Cst or RM. Finally settling back at S/Cst. Like many areas of the RCMP at present. Leadership is lacking and there is an overriding M-F 9-5 perspective guiding decisions that is mainly driven by the senior PSEs who have too much voice at the table in Ottawa. Versus strong considerations of the necessary operational needs.

Not bad pay as you say (and of course that’s before OT), and the pension and other benefits are solid. I think they want a couple thousand hours to hire.

I think that kind of flying will attract a different sort of pilot; cramming a PC-12 with as many ERT as will fit to go into a remote post to help the two constables in a 15 hour standoff (in shit weather, naturally). Those who still look for excitement might be drawn to that. Or, total flip side, flying surveillance circles for days on end (hopefully with the transponder off this time) to support a counterterrorism investigation.

I’m surprised RCMP doesn’t poach hard from CAF for pilots. I could see some of the fixed wing SAR or Twin Otter types maybe being drawn to that kind of work. They’re armed peace officer positions too.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Not bad pay as you say (and of course that’s before OT), and the pension and other benefits are solid. I think they want a couple thousand hours to hire.

I think that kind of flying will attract a different sort of pilot; cramming a PC-12 with as many ERT as will fit to go into a remote post to help the two constables in a 15 hour standoff (in shit weather, naturally). Those who still look for excitement might be drawn to that. Or, total flip side, flying surveillance circles for days on end (hopefully with the transponder off this time) to support a counterterrorism investigation.

I’m surprised RCMP doesn’t poach hard from CAF for pilots. I could see some of the fixed wing SAR or Twin Otter types maybe being drawn to that kind of work. They’re armed peace officer positions too.

Yah, the excitement piece would be appealing. As a self-professed adrenaline junkie, I often have thoughts of jumping back in to the environment because I do truly miss the cool stuff sometimes.

 

[Good2Golf]

Not bad pay as you say (and of course that’s before OT), and the pension and other benefits are solid. I think they want a couple thousand hours to hire.

3,000 hrs PIC minimum, which add the student training prior for PPL/CPL/ATPL and Group 1/3 INRAT and you’re probably looking at a pilot with at least 3,300-3,500 hrs.

A PT-01 starts at $117,000 going to 134,000 over 6 years. Eventually a pilot can get to PT-03 over their career and reach $167,000. Not a bad wage (plus benefits, pension) compared to many small operators or starting out at AC, WJ etc. AC starting salary (FO) was only $60,000 - 70,000 before the last settlement. But yes, no where near AC, WJ, and of course the US / Europe when you get seniority or become a Captain on larger aircraft.

All the PC-12 and C206 guys I have spoken with all had multi-engine endorsements to their ATPL/CPL and could easily transfer into AC’s FO program (mainline, not Jazz), where many of the FOs transition to AC earlier than the 6-year minimum often bandied about - at the 6-year point, AC FOs average $115-120K. *Captain on the smallest ride (A220) is in the $190-200K range going up to $290-300K (base, pre-overtime) for B777 *Captain.

I think that kind of flying will attract a different sort of pilot; cramming a PC-12 with as many ERT as will fit to go into a remote post to help the two constables in a 15 hour standoff (in shit weather, naturally). Those who still look for excitement might be drawn to that.

Yup, probably some kind of pilot who has a healthy dose of bush pilot in their genes, and doesn’t mind building a whole bunch of single-engine hours, because they have no dreams of flying airlines.

Or, total flip side, flying surveillance circles for days on end (hopefully with the transponder off this time) to support a counterterrorism investigation.

It’s not overly exciting, that’s for sure, and probably more exciting that providing CSS-type support. Only thing more mind-numbing is flying judges around the North…which some of the C206 guys I spoke with were happy to ‘step down’ to a single piston slug because turboprop single was far less exciting that recruiters try to make it out.

I’m surprised RCMP doesn’t poach hard from CAF for pilots. I could see some of the fixed wing SAR or Twin Otter types maybe being drawn to that kind of work. They’re armed peace officer positions too.

Anyone with 3,000-4,000 multi-engine hours with a CAF INRAT will 99% likely head to the majors with a grandfathered ATPL w Gp1 INRAT. The discontent of RCMP Air Services pilots is a known thing for those looking at transferring out of the RCAF.

Yah, the excitement piece would be appealing. As a self-professed adrenaline junkie, I often have thoughts of jumping back in to the environment because I do truly miss the cool stuff sometimes.

Exciting fun isn’t the same as exciting unpredictable shitshow. A couple years ago, had one of the RCMP Air Svcs guy (a C206 Skywagon guy) mosey over to the King Air and ask what the deal was like if he got into the commercial / unique services world…he had previously been flying the PC-12, but said there was a lot of stuff related to flying the “Turbine Suburban” that for him made flying a 50-year old Cessna piston for lower pay attractive.

I don’t know all the RCMP Air Services datapoints, but anecdotally, there seem to be issues enough that they always seem to be short and looking to fill the positions.

Edit to add: corrected AC - aircraft captain to *Capatin to avoid confusion with AC - Air Canada