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The Russian Military Merged Thread- Air Force

You are getting two men confused with one another.

The movie character is based on Viktor Bout, a prolific and well know arms dealer that was recently arrested in Thailand on March 6, 2008, by the local police with Help from US LEA.  He was known as the Death Merchant.

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/bout.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Bout

dileas

tess
 
Niteshade said:
I love that movie.

Specifically the slow motion scene of the AK firing, and as each rounds is expelled, a cash register noise sounds.

Lovely.

Nites

"There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?"
 
Good movie, here's some interesting trivia from IMDB.

According to Andrew Niccol, the filmmakers worked with actual gunrunners in the making of the film.  The tanks lined up for sale were real and belonged to a Czech arms dealer who had to have them back to sell to another country.  They used a real stockpile of over 3,000 AK-47s because it was cheaper than getting prop guns.
 
An unfortunate death, if true. The number of these Russian advisors/instructors might not be a surprise to some of you, but I wonder if their numbers being sent abroad may be increasing, especially with the recent large purchases of Russian equipment by countries such as Venezuela.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20080530.aspx

May 30, 2008: The death of a Russian fighter pilot in Sudan could not be kept secret, despite the best efforts of the Russian and Sudanese governments. The pilot was an instructor, stationed outside Khartoum, at an air base containing the dozen MiG-29 fighters Sudan bought four years ago. The Russian pilot took one of the MiG-29s into action on May 10th, when a convoy of nearly 200 trucks and jeeps approached the capital. The convoy contained 1,200 JEM rebels from Darfur. The heavily armed rebels were headed for the presidential palace when the MiG-29 attacked. But the rebels had some heavy (12.7mm and 14.5mm machine-guns) on some of those trucks, and the MiG-29 was hit and went down. The pilot ejected, but the chute didn't open and he died on impact.

The Sudanese government tried to keep the death, and loss of a Russian pilot, secret. At least one Sudanese radio station was shut down for broadcasting the "rumor." The story also got out in Russia, via the Internet and at least one independent radio station (the government controls all the network operations). The death of the pilot was known to his family and some of his Russian Air Force friends.

The JEM attack was halted, by Sudanese troops, before they could cross a river and reach the palace.
 
It sounds like the Pilot may have underestimated the opponent and went in too low, too slow and head on vs coming up the rear.

J
 
Hmmm.... for an instructor, this pilot appears to have executed some hands on "examples of how to do/not do things"

Thought foreign instructors were expected to provide instruction & leave it to the local nationals to execute military missions.

???
 
geo said:
Thought foreign instructors were expected to provide instruction & leave it to the local nationals to execute military missions.

It is a common , mostly unacknowledged, practice for Russian advisors to participate directly in the combat operations of their client states. During the Korean war, Chinese and DPRK aircraft were often flown by Russian advisors.
 
... and some people would like us to do peace operations in the region.  Here's a reminder why we should not forget our AD capability despite the current operational climate. 
 
His death will still be listed as a "training accident"

Some rebel earned his keep by downing a multi-million dollar fighter with a MG likely 40 years old.
 
... and a 40 yr old Soviet (Russian) MG at that  :D
 
well too bad for the pilot but like geo said it's karma, when you sell weapons to pretty much every army except the salvation army, one of those has got to come back and bite you in the ass
 
The below text comes from a forwarded email I received from my father. Any thoughts?

"This is a photograph of the world's largest helicopter which happened to be on the tarmac in Dease Lake ,
B.C. recently. It is to be used for taking mining equipment and cargo out to a new mine called Galore Creek. The chopper couldn't land at the air strip at Bob Quinn Lake because it wasn't a paved area so it had to land in Dease Lake until the landing site north of Bob Quinn could be inspected. Apparently this chopper's wash will pick up and fling rocks, up to 12 inches in diameter, around like leaves. Some stats: - Russian crew of 6, 2 Pilots, 1 Navigator, 2 Engineers (mechanics) &1 cargo person - a semi-trailer will fit in it.- carries 75 troops- uses 2000 litres of fuel per hour- 580 km range- costs $30,000/hr to rent- 40 metres long- 8 blades about 2 feet wide Probably bigger than ANYTHING seen at the Dease Lake airport, including the terminal building. I knew the Russian built 'Sky Crane' was big which is being used for lifting lumber out of inaccessible mountain areas, but this makes a 'Sky Crane' look like a mosquito by comparison."
 
It is as long as a Chinook and Griffon placed nose to tail.

The rotor diameter is greater than the wingspan of a WWII B17 bomber's wingspan.

The tail rotor is about the same size as a Hughes/MD500's main rotor.

The transmission weighs about the same as an empty Huey helicopter.

It'll lift a Herc load of cargo.

The attack version can fire a projectile equivalent to the main armament of the USS Missouri battleship from a twin-barrelled semi-automatic cannon mounted at the rear fuselage with the barrels running right through the main cabin and out through the nose.






























Okay, I'm kidding about the last point, but this is a huge and impressive machine by any standard.
 
That's quite the large chopper, eh?


Wouldn't want to pay the fuel cost ;D


-Dead
 
I don't think the Russians are too worried about fuel considering the reserves they rely upon, they are laughing.
 
A Russian airliner with 88 on board crashed outside Perm today.One of the passengers was General Troshev who had worked for both Putin and Medvedev.

http://www.euronews.net/en/article/14/09/2008/russian-general-among-88-killed-in-plane-crash/
 
A bit more about Troshov.Clearly he has stayed out of news since this article and I think its safe to say that Putin didnt feel threatened by him.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7018-17.cfm

Chechen war veteran flexes political muscles, sending shiver down the spine of the Kremlin - Another Russian general has emerged who wants to be a politician - a man who left his mark on Chechnya by helping raze its capital city
By Chris Stephen

Russia has a new pretender to the crown of warrior-king in the shape of Gen Gennady Troshev, its former commander in Chechnya. The bull-necked 57-year-old hit the headlines last month when he refused an order from the defence ministry to step down and move to another post in Siberia.

Angry that the ministry was blaming him for the manifest failures of the Chechen war, he went on television to denounce his sacking order. His dismissal as commander of the forces in Chechnya was later confirmed by special decree from President Vladimir Putin - though the reque to Siberia was quietly dropped.

Instead, Troshev has moved to Moscow, declaring he is 'considering' a political career.

This has made many people shudder, as it comes with reports that the army is already beyond the power of its civilian masters to control.

Later this month Troshev will publish his memoirs, in which he is expected to set out his stall as an ultra-nationalist alternative to the country's political leadership.

He is not the first general to try this path. In 1994 the deputy chief-of-staff, Eduard Vorobyov, refused to take up command of Russian forces in the first Chechen war, instead becoming an MP. Alexander Lebed, a former paratrooper general, stood against Putin in the 2000 presidential elections.

Neither made an impact: Vorobyov failed to attract a large following and the charismatic Lebed's political career died when he was killed in a helicopter crash last year.

Troshev aims to go better: already, he has powerful allies in the high command, notably army chief- of-staff Anatoly Kvashnin. Their complaints are familiar: first, that the army has been starved of support, both political and financial, to smash rebels in Chechnya and second, that under corrupt and incompetent civilian leadership, Russia has lost her great power status - and needs to claw it back.

An official on Putin's Human Rights Commission, Svetlana Gamushkina, told The Irish Times that the President admitted he could not control the generals in a meeting last month. 'He said that the army has become a separate political force. This is dangerous.'

Further evidence that the army is its own boss came earlier this month, when military judges derailed the country's most important war crimes case - the trial of a colonel accused of strangling a Chechen teenage girl.

Yuri Budanov had already admitted, during a two-year trial, that he abducted the 18-year-old girl, savagely beating her, then strangling her and ordering subordinates to bury her naked body.

The Kremlin had hoped Budanov's trial would demonstrate it was serious about introducing the rule of law into Chechnya. Instead, the army has derailed such hopes.

Army judges announced that instead of going to jail, Budanov would get mental treatment because he had committed the crime while suffering 'temporary insanity'.

Human rights activists were quick to complain. 'The Budanov acquittal is simply a travesty of justice,' said Elizabeth Andersen of US-based Human Rights Watch. 'If Russian authorities continue to shield servicemen from accountability and deny justice to their victims, the conflict in Chechnya may never be resolved.'

A prosecution appeal is taking place this week, but the military judgment is likely to be confirmed, in a body blow to efforts to 'normalise' Chechnya. 'The army is separate from anyone else,' Gamushkina says. 'It is a danger to society.'

Putin has fought against this, installing former KGB colonel Sergei Ivanov as defence minister and giving him the job of implementing wide-ranging reforms. They have failed to bite, though, and a second initiative, to put the FSB - the renamed KGB - in charge of the Chechen war has come to nothing.

Troshev is a veteran of both the current Chechen war and the one which raged from 1994-96 and ended in Russian defeat.

Born in the ethnic Russian community in the Chechen capital, Grozny, he became famous for declaring, early in the present war, that the shattered city should never be rebuilt so as to serve as a warning against treason to Russia's ethnic minorities. Later he demanded that captured guerrillas be publicly executed.

What has infuriated the Kremlin, however, have been his constant announcements over more than three years that the war is 'almost over'. These statements are invariably followed by new Chechen offensives, most recently on December 27th, when two suicide bombers detonated huge truck-bombs outside the province's administrative headquarters in Grozny, killing 46.

Talk of a coup, however, is far-fetched. For one thing, the army is in a mess. Hardly a week passes without a story of more desertions, incompetence and bungling within the country's under-funded, bloated armed forces.

Human rights groups say units raise cash in Chechnya by kidnapping civilians, then 'selling' them back to anxious relatives. Last September, an entire 54-man unit deserted its post in Volgograd, claiming living conditions were worse than prison.

This loss of prestige has angered the officer corps who, like Troshev, were brought up to expect Soviet-era greatness. Troshev is unlikely to demand a place in the Kremlin, but he will demand that military spending will rise.

Far from wanting a political settlement to end the Chechen war, the generals are already demanding its widening, to include an invasion of neighbouring Georgia to strike at rebel bases. Pressure for this is likely to grow with the coming of spring.

The other target will be central Asia. The army is furious that Moscow has allowed America to build a chain of bases in these former Soviet republics, long regarded as Russia's back yard.

How Troshev will flex his muscles is unclear, but flex them he will, and for Chechens, the outside world and the occupant of the Kremlin, this must mean trouble.
 
Let's see if the spokesman is willing to stake the reputation of his company and the lives of Russian pilots on these "high quality" products.

Russia To Acquire MiGs Rejected by Algeria
By Nabi Abdullaev
Published: 15 Jan 11:31 EST (16:31 GMT) 

MOSCOW - The Russian Air Force will procure 34 MiG-29 fighter jets that were rejected last year by Algeria, which claimed the aircraft were assembled from used spare parts, Russian officials said.

"Procurement of these MiGs by the Russian Air Force confirms the high quality of these aircraft," a spokesman for the Rosoboronexport state arms export monopoly said Jan. 14.

Rosoboronexport attempted to sell 26 MiG-29SMT and six MiG-29UB light fighter jets to Algeria as part of the record arms export deal with the north African country, signed in March 2006. The MiG contract was worth almost $1.3 billion while the total deal amounted to $7.5 billion.

In March, Algeria returned the 15 fighters that had already been shipped there, saying the aircraft were assembled from used parts.

Yelena Fyodorova, a spokeswoman for RSK MiG, which produced the fighters, said Jan. 14 that company experts and specialists from the Russian Defense Ministry's scientific research institutes thoroughly examined the returned aircraft and found them in perfect condition.

A source in the Defense Ministry told the RIA Novosti state news agency Jan. 13 that the MiGs will be procured domestically under the 2009 state defense order. For several years, there was no domestic procurement of MiG fighters.

Mikhail Pogosyan, the general director of MiG's rival aircraft maker, Sukhoi, who was just appointed general director of MiG, promised he will work to include MiG fighters into the state defense order in 2009.

   
 
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