The Training That We Should Undertake As Medics In Prep For The Box...

[herseyjh]

I wasn't trying to start the classic Ref F vs. Res F arguments, point and counter points, rather point out the benefits of such a system.  It is here to stay after all, as the CF doesn't have the number to operate a sustained operation without augmentation.

What I am saying is this, combat arms guys want to go overseas to apply their skill, to gain experience.  Whereas their medical counterparts might also want the same thing, but a portion of these people are working in the field on a daily basis, and I am sure if you asked them what type of trauma care is required they could tell you, or run a trauma room, but here is the kicker: in their role they are deemed not as skillful because of their Res F status.

So where does this leave the medical branch?  Well it leave it sending their members to civi hospitals, civi ambs, to train and master their skills so they will be ready to be deployed.  They could quite possibly be paired up the very member (in their civi role) who is excluded from deploying based on their MOC.  This myopic view will only hold back the medical branch in my opinion as the people who could be using their skills and knowledge are precluded from the system that needs them the most.

At least if Pte. Bloggis gets deployed and goes on a tour his experience is valued when he come back to his host unit.

 

[Armymedic]

Herseyjh,
You are mistaken...In every other medical service specialty less med tech, Res F members are used over seas, and quite effectively (a couple of them even populate these boards). It is a small percentage, but they are there. Most of those roles are inside the wire. It is only in the evac role, usually the Coy/platoon medic (read dismounted patrol medics) that Res F Med Techs are rarely employed in.

 

[herseyjh]

No, I wasn't mistaken, I was sadly commenting on med techs.  My point of view might be a bit personal, but when I decide to persue a civi medical career I decided to remuster to a comparable MOC.  I won't mince words here, it was the biggest mistake of my career.  From a reg force point of view you are treated like the dumb brother, and from a civi point of view I saw my CF training as dated and antequated.  In essence you are in limbo, all the while you spend your civi days showing reg force members the ropes so they can go on tour and provide med coverage, whereas in the reseve medical world it was  train, show up, provide medical coverage (in Canada) but that is where it ends.  Until I remustered I had a better change of going overseas with a PMC as a civi.  And I think that is the crux of the argument.

 

[Donut]

Amen, Brother.


Testify! ;D

 

[Skar-mag]

Gentleman, I think that the issue is more along the lines of what trg should we focus on now that we know out old methods don't work.

Res F medical pers with civi experience are deploying to A'Stan, some of these are leaving the wire.  That is fact, I know b/c I was one of them. 

The only Res F pers that can deploy are those that are working in medicine in their civi jobs.  Herseyjh:  to further push your point the CF Trauma Trg Centre is the Vancouver Hospital, a civi hospital with civi staff, this is oriented to the MO, NO and Spec MOC's.  The need is to take the NCM medics as there is a chance that all of them will go outside the wire (not just dismount/evac) and teach them Cbt Arms skills.  Med Techs are the only CSS element that goes everywhere with the Cbt arms.

The P Res Med techs are deploying in dismounted/evac roles, yes they are only those that have civi experience also 9/10 of the times they are also previous Cbt Arms re-musters.  A valid point is that we need to train all Medics on Cbt arms tactics, and enforce PT standards.  Putting an FTOS medic with an extra 80-100lbs of kit outside the wire (inside a veh or not) is not doing anyone favors.

It is time to consider things like a Cbt Medic trade and a Cbt Infantry/Medic badge.

 

[HItorMiss]

It is time to consider things like a Cbt Medic trade and a Cbt Infantry/Medic badge.

Were getting very close to that with the TCCC course, I know for a Fact that our Coy medic loved that his escort on the battlefield was TCCC gave him room to work and a guy who knew what he was doing.

 

[boondocksaint]

were you ( the RCR ) given more TCCC ? we had guys qualified 1-2 years ago, but noone recently, we're told no more courses, for various reasons

that course is vital

 

[HItorMiss]

Yes we ran 2 serials of the TCCC course one in Feb and then the one I did in June/July.

Members of 2 PPCLI were on the second serial with me as well, your 100% right that course is vital and should be the standard for first aid for Cbt Arms.

*EDIT: Don't hold me to the date of the first course I may be wrong, it was awinter serial none the less

 

[boondocksaint]

That's good to hear, I agree that course should be mandatory if not for every CBT arm, atleast 1 per section, det

we raised a big fuss about it over there, perhaps it finally trickled down the way it's supposed to, at any rate glad to hear it's back on

 

[HItorMiss]

It came in handy that's for sure, as I said it was a great asset in the medic's pocket to have a TCCC qualed guy for him to use the upside was that he got an escort and a compotent set of hand's he didn't need to supervise at all times while he worked on other casualties.

 

[Armymedic]

Having a TCCC qualified "escort" for the medics does not completely address the need for medics to be tactically aware as well.


PS- courses were Jan and Jun. We did the Bg tng in Feb-Mar. Another course is running in Pet next week.