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Doughnuts in danger? New York City mulls ban on restaurant trans fats
26/09/2006 8:30:00 PM 

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NEW YORK (AP) - Three years after the city banned smoking in restaurants, health officials are talking about prohibiting something they say is almost as bad: artificial trans fatty acids.


The city health department unveiled a proposal Tuesday that would bar cooks at any of the city's 24,600 food service establishments from using ingredients that contain the artery-clogging substance, commonly listed on food labels as partially hydrogenated oil.
Artificial trans fats are found in some shortenings, margarine and frying oils and turn up in foods from pie crusts to french fries to doughnuts.

Doctors agree that trans fats are unhealthy in nearly any amount, but a spokesman for the restaurant industry said he was stunned the city would seek to ban a legal ingredient found in millions of American kitchens.

"Labelling is one thing, but when they totally ban a product, it goes well beyond what we think is prudent and acceptable," said Chuck Hunt, executive vice-president of the city's chapter of the New York State Restaurant Association.

He said the proposal could create havoc: Cooks would be forced to discard old recipes and scrutinize every ingredient in their pantry. A restaurant could face a fine if an inspector finds the wrong type of vegetable shortening on its shelves.

The proposal also would create a huge problem for national chains. Among the fast foods that would need to get an overhaul or face a ban: McDonald's french fries, Kentucky Fried Chicken and several varieties of Dunkin' Donuts.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden acknowledged that the ban would be a challenge for restaurants, but he said trans fats can easily be replaced with substitute oils that taste the same or better and are far less unhealthy.

"It is a dangerous and unnecessary ingredient," Frieden said. "No one will miss it when it's gone."

A similar ban on trans fats in restaurant food has been proposed in Chicago and is still under consideration, although it has been ridiculed by some as unnecessary government meddling.

The latest version of the Chicago plan would only apply to companies with annual revenues of more than US$20 million, a provision aimed exclusively at fast-food giants.

A few companies have moved to eliminate trans fats on their own.

Wendy's announced in August that it had switched to a new cooking oil that contains no trans fatty acids. Crisco now sells a shortening that contains zero trans fats. Frito-Lay removed trans fats from its Doritos and Cheetos. Kraft's took trans fats out of Oreos.

McDonald's began using a trans fat-free cooking oil in Denmark after that country banned artificial trans fats in processed food, but it has yet to do so in the United States.

Walt Riker, vice-president of corporate communications at McDonald's, said in a statement Tuesday that the company would review New York's proposal.

"McDonald's knows this is an important issue, which is why we continue to test in earnest to find ways to further reduce (trans fatty acid) levels," he said.

New York's health department had asked restaurants to impose a voluntary ban last year but found use of trans fats unchanged in recent surveys.

Under the New York proposal, restaurants would need to get artificial trans fats out of cooking oils, margarine and shortening by July 1, 2007, and all other food stuffs by July 1, 2008. It would not affect grocery stores. It also would not apply to naturally occurring trans fats, which are found in some meats and dairy.

The Board of Health has yet to approve the proposal and will not do so until at least December, Frieden said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration began requiring food labels to list trans fats in January.

Dr. Walter Willett, chairman of the Department of Nutrition at the Harvard University School of Public Health, praised New York health officials for considering a ban, which he said could save lives.

"Artificial trans fats are very toxic, and they almost surely cause tens of thousands of premature deaths each year," he said. "The federal government should have done this long ago."



Does any one else think that this is just going way to far ? I thought this would be the right place for this topic but if it isnt than  for the Mods please feel free to move it where it should be
 
This world is turned inside out. I swear!
Makes you wonder what's next!
 
Or you could see the positive things in this.Large corporations will not discontinue its donuts ,fries ,chicken.They will adapt to make it more"healthy"to continue making revenues off these products.Hopefully it Will spread internationally,as smoking bans did and help by benefiting the masses.

I don't see anything wrong with it.But anything in moderation is OK.
 
As long as nobody messes with my deep fried mars bars we're all O.K..  Other wise...things will get nasty!
 
If you're eating so much partially hydrogenated oil I don't think restaurants are to blame for your food choices.
 
TMM said:
If you're eating so much partially hydrogenated oil I don't think restaurants are to blame for your food choices.

True enough.Education is proably lacking in peoples food choices today.Obesity is up there for deaths with smoking.Maybe a way to ease the burden on our health system from people who don't understand or are not concerned for their health.

 
The mars bars would still be around - they would just be cooked in trans-fat free cooking oil.

I'm all for forcing the change in shortening, and other cooking oils. The differences in cooking are small (temperatures) and there really isn't a good reason not to change.

In other foods... It is getting a little ridiculous. I suppose it's for the greater good. Why do I have an odd feeling this is going to pop up somewhere real close real soon...

 
099* said:
True enough.Education is proably lacking in peoples food choices today.Obesity is up there for deaths with smoking.
Now, I'm not saying this because I smoke, but smoking does NOT kill as many as my cigarette package is telling me.  I mean, if someone who smokes gets cancer, then SMOKING caused it, right?
Obesity kills far more people.  That's just a hunch.

As for blaming "others" for your actions, well, that's the Canadian way, isn't it?  I mean, personal responsibility: that's just craziness!
 
Isn't it strange that with this evil smoking habits abounding, trans fats lurking everywhere, and the plethora of other ills that plague our society, we are living longer.....hmmmm.
 
I didn't wear a helmet riding bikes as a kid (though, that may explain some of my actions, but that's another thread), we ate peanut butter sandwiches in school and we didn't have the fat kid in glasses go into shock as a result, we had lawn darts and played with them.  Heck, about the only thing we didn't do was swim within twenty minutes of eating!  Now they say that we can do that!  Go figure!
 
von Garvin said:
I didn't wear a helmet riding bikes as a kid (though, that may explain some of my actions, but that's another thread), we ate peanut butter sandwiches in school and we didn't have the fat kid in glasses go into shock as a result, we had lawn darts and played with them.  Heck, about the only thing we didn't do was swim within twenty minutes of eating!  Now they say that we can do that!  Go figure!

LOL,
yep I'm unfortunately a smoker myself.It dumb.My father always had this argument that his smoking in rural Newfoundland was less toxic than living in Toronto (what us newfies call our Mecca).Lets not forget playing war with pellet guns,or where we the only kids that did that?

As for the skinny kids in school we had 1 fat kid in our whole class also.But I also remember eating at McDonald's was a huge treat for us back then too,seems somewhat normal now for some.
A guy at work was telling me today actually that his neighbours garbage got tore up and there was McDonald's garbage from one end of the street to the other.(We were originally talking about crows but you see where I'm going.)This guy had kids that must have been living off this crap,that's wrong.

Maybe its a fact that some people cannot protect themselves,and it shows in our health system.I'm not a big supporter of smoking either. (as I sip my Timmie's and think of going for a smoke).

But hey I see it as an improvement overall.There is still going to be donuts and fries etc,just produced a way to better protect those who consume it.

p.s I haven't thought of lawn darts in a long time,ahhh the memories.
 
Okay, I will go out on the whipping limb and say that I am on the larger side, and I do wear glasses  ::) We don't have lawn darts and I'm not the biggest guy in our school (28 students by the way). But I will also say that I'm about 6'2, and you wouldn't expect to see me all skin and bone for that height (there are some I know). We have no restruant here at all. We don't wear helmets when we ride bikes (bicycle helmets are rare in these parts). We do have healthy food in school and somewhat of a fitness program(ball hockey, soccer, etc). I too played with pellet guns, until my father cracked mine off for shooting our cat (I was 7 and was playing army, what do you expect?).
 
  Ugh...I don't know......I'd like to think that people have the common sence and self dicipline to have only small amounts of these trans fats.........but I don't think most people know anything or care any bit about what they are eating.    Just eating lunch  at Stadacona here in Halifax, I see that the favorite food of most days is Poutine with extra cheese and a side of grease.
  So maybe if people don't have the trans fats as an option then it will be for the better??
 
 
 
Good God what's next?  The government regulating portion sizes, or perhaps spoon feeding people to ensure they eat right.
I suppose one can look at it the same as removing a dangerous drug from the market.
What is really sad is that one can see the need for such a ban.
 
neko said:
Good God what's next?  The government regulating portion sizes, or perhaps spoon feeding people to ensure they eat right.
I suppose one can look at it the same as removing a dangerous drug from the market.
What is really sad is that one can see the need for such a ban.

that's my point EXACTLY neko: the government acting as our collective nanny "because we're too stupid".  Ticks me off
 
  I suppose...if the Gov't were to make trans fats unavailable to people, at the same time, they should take cigarettes off the shelves too.  What are the chances of that happening! :p
Steve
 
von Garvin said:
that's my point EXACTLY neko: the government acting as our collective nanny "because we're too stupid".  Ticks me off

Me too. And not even a good nanny, who would teach her charges about moderation and healthy eating not just attempt to deny them something, which never works for long with kids, eventually they come across it somewhere else.
 
CallOfDuty said:
  people have the common sence and self dicipline to have only small amounts of these trans fats 

Do you ever read the label of what you're buying?
Trans fat is everywhere in the food that is process,
so mostly all that we eat. EVEN when the label say zero
trans fat, it may contain some, we have to read the ingredients.
Because for a product to be able to print none, it only have
to be under a certain amount, not zero...

(trans fat, hydrogene fat, , partial hydrogen fat, etc)

Donuts, most chips, muffins, breads, cookies, crackers,
chocolate bar, candy,  cold cut, fried food, name it, there some in it.

How can people have small amount of it when its every where?
 
  Actually Yrys...I know this sounds anal, but I read the label of everything I buy!
When I eat I like to think natural.  Eggs....meats...whole grains.....vegetables, fruits.....nuts...
  About 4 years ago or so I decided to become a healthier person......started eating right.....excercising....since then, I've lost about 90 pounds.  Kind of feel like an expert on this crap. 
  Cheers
Steve 
 
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