Trump administration 2024-2028

[Colin Parkinson]

Do the feds have any real power to compel local or state authorities to do that for them? I don’t know how much operational independence the various levels of police have there in terms of telling the feds to either take full custody of the prisoner, or take a hike.

Separately, how much additional capacity do federal agencies actually have to increase these numbers, and what investigative priorities would that shift resources from?

It's going to vary, some border states are going to be very supportive and assist, others will tell the Feds to pound sand. Some are going to say yes but show us the money to cover our costs per prisoner.

 

[dimsum]

I think 74 million (and counting) Americans didn't like what the Dems had to say or how they said it.

You can moan all you want. But the Dems lost this election. And they probably shouldn't have.

You misunderstand me. I’m not moaning (now) about the fact that the Dems lost. We all know they did, and for myriad reasons.

What I’m saying is that the filter of whatever network had a hand in altering what they said. And I say this about MSNBC towards the GOP - which is why I don’t watch them either.

I was watching this (quite literally) at work during the entire campaign. We had both Fox and CNN side by side throughout all of the rallies, debates, whatever. The dissonance between the two stations on the exact same event was super strange.

As I mentioned in the Trump election thread, the Ipsos questionnaire’s line was “We live in two Americas”. I totally believe it.

 

[KevinB]

As I mentioned in the Trump election thread, the Ipsos questionnaire’s line was “We live in two Americas”. I totally believe it.

Even a lot of Democrats where angry about the Biden/Harris approach to some issues.

The pendulum on certain aspects is rebounding hard. I suspect we will see someone emerge from this as a more moderate Democrat— but then again who knows.

A lot of extreme candidates on both sides got relented when I had assumed there were unelectable.

 

[daftandbarmy]

 

[Furniture]

Poppycock. The average voter doesn't understand complicated economic issues especially at the international scale. The number of people who think inflation means "the price of things" or who think tarrifs are the tax on foreign countries is astounding. They don't understand how a war started between two countries oversees could have a significant impact on the cost of their gas and food at home. These problems are complexe and the solutions to these problems are complex as well.

But, it wouldn't actually matter if the Dems laid out the simplest solution to these problems because people have been lied to about what the cause of their problems are and have been presented a bunch of BS solutions that will not actually help them.

The Dems have the exact same tools at their disposal that the GOP does, why are they so much worse at using them?

Perhaps blaming dumb voters is just a cope.

Agreed. But that assumes that all Americans are watching/reading the same material, with the same bias.

Social media and the MSM have firmly become “Dem” or “GOP” aligned. Take a look at Fox’s coverage vs CNN’s coverage of the exact same event, and note the headlines. The Jon Stewart ep I listed above mentions it a bit but the American public is most definitely not getting the same info.

So in your example, if Fox News is purposely putting up roadblocks (taking snippets out of context, headlines that don’t really align with what is being said, etc) then there is no way that the voters watching it will get the same meaning that was intended. It’s like a game of Telephone, except that somewhere in the middle someone is purposely saying different words.

The GOP faces the same challenges, yet somehow they managed to get to swing voters in all the key swing states.

Until the Dems can take an honest look at how they message, as well as what they are messaging, they will face an uphill fight.

I think a big part of the Dems problems stem from the fact they they have become closely aligned/associated with extreme progressive views, and those views suck all the oxygen out of the room when they are trying to get any other messages across. Kind of like how the LPC used guns and abortion to suck the wind out of the CPCs sails.

 

[Lumber]

The Dems have the exact same tools at their disposal that the GOP does, why are they so much worse at using them?

Perhaps blaming dumb voters is just a cope.

Wait, are you saying we should disparage the Democrats for not choosing to use disinformation and out right lies as their campaign "tool"?

 

[Furniture]

Wait, are you saying we should disparage the Democrats for not choosing to use disinformation and out right lies as their campaign "tool"?

I'm saying that they had the same tools available to convince voters they were the better choice. That they failed to make effective use of those tools is on them.

All parties lie... Let's not pretend the GOP has a monopoly on using lies and "othering" to get votes. Clinton started the ball rolling for the Dems with the "basket of deplorables" line, and a lot of the diehard Dem supporters still believe it.

 

[Lumber]

I'm saying that they had the same tools available to convince voters they were the better choice. That they failed to make effective use of those tools is on them.

All parties lie... Let's not pretend the GOP has a monopoly on using lies and "othering" to get votes. Clinton started the ball rolling for the Dems with the "basket of deplorables" line, and a lot of the diehard Dem supporters still believe it.

That's not a "lie" though, that's just an opinion.

Trump on the other hands lied through his teeth throughout the campaign. I can give you tons of examples, but do I really need to? Give me one example of an actual lie from Harris or the DNC during the election?

 

[Furniture]

That's not a "lie" though, that's just an opinion.

Trump on the other hands lied through his teeth throughout the campaign. I can give you tons of examples, but do I really need to? Give me one example of an actual lie from Harris or the DNC during the election?

I'm not playing the gotcha game.

Trump is not a good person, and yet people still preferred him over Harris. That's on Harris, not on the voters. How bad do you have to be as a candidate to lose to a guy like Trump?

 

[lenaitch]

Talking to some HSI Agents - part of it is some of the arresting LEA's are releasing them on their own recognizance.
So they then go off the grid.

Unless those Cities, Counties and or States are compelled to remand them in custody until conviction or turned over to the Fed's - then unless the Trump Administration vastly increases the number of agents and they have the ability to monitor those LEA's.

I'm curious how local law enforcement would determine that an offender is in the country illegally. It might be more obvious if they are indigent, living in a trailer in a Californian onion field or something similar, but what circumstance compels an arrested person, particularly for a state crime, to prove their citizenship?

 

[lenaitch]

Assuming Trump follows through on his 'universal tariffs', including a rumoured 60% -ish of goods from China, I wonder how a society addicted to Amazon, Walmart and probably Target is going to fare.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Give me one example of an actual lie from Harris or the DNC during the election?

That they were going to win the election.

But seriously, Harris lied about Bidens condition and ability to run for a second term constantly. To be fair there you could argue that was a matter of national security (even though no one on the planet must have really believed it).

Harris lied about Trump leaving the US with the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.

 

[Lumber]

I'm not playing the gotcha game.

Trump is not a good person, and yet people still preferred him over Harris. That's on Harris, not on the voters. How bad do you have to be as a candidate to lose to a guy like Trump?

Yes, but my issue with you right now is that the you are saying that the "bad" of "how bad do you have to be" is apparently there decision to not lie. You're saying that "well, it's on them for not making 'effective use of those tools', but the tools you are referring to are lies. How can you admonish someone for trying to do the right thing?

 

[brihard]

Assuming Trump follows through on his 'universal tariffs', including a rumoured 60% -ish of goods from China, I wonder how a society addicted to Amazon, Walmart and probably Target is going to fare.

Rather poorly. America also exports $150b in goods a year to China. Safe bet China would destroy that with retaliatory tariffs.

 

[Furniture]

Yes, but my issue with you right now is that the you are saying that the "bad" of "how bad do you have to be" is apparently there decision to not lie. You're saying that "well, it's on them for not making 'effective use of those tools', but the tools you are referring to are lies. How can you admonish someone for trying to do the right thing?

The tools I am referring to are social media, and other forms of communications to get their message out there, and prove the Trump side's lies. They failed to do that. If they can't prove the Trump lies, with all the media and celebrity support they had, then they suck at campaigning.

Don't blame the voters because the side you liked sucked at doing their primary job.

 

[dimsum]

The tools I am referring to are social media, and other forms of communications to get their message out there, and prove the Trump side's lies.

The problem is that with the social media algorithms now, each side literally does not see what is being shown the other side unless it goes viral, or you are purposely looking for it as the consumer.

I have been bombarded with exactly what you’re referring to because of what I read online, the YouTube videos I watch, etc. The same way that a right-leaning person would be bombarded with GOP communications.

 

[Furniture]

The problem is that with the social media algorithms now, each side literally does not see what is being shown the other side unless it goes viral, or you are purposely looking for it as the consumer.

I have been bombarded with Democrat communications on social media and elsewhere because of what I read online, the YouTube videos I watch, etc. The same way that a right-leaning person would be bombarded with GOP communications.

The thing is, if that was all powerful, swing voters wouldn't have seen Trump messaging. So clearly there is a way to break the echo chambers, the Dems just need to figure it out.

They'd likely crack the code if they didn't think it was beneath them to talk to the "deplorables".

 

[dimsum]

The thing is, if that was all powerful, swing voters wouldn't have seen Trump messaging. So clearly there is a way to break the echo chambers, the Dems just need to figure it out.

They'd likely crack the code if they didn't think it was beneath them to talk to the "deplorables".

Swing voters and others got the Trump messaging because it went viral.

So again, is the way to break the echo chamber for the Dems to spout anything that makes them go viral?

Also, watching another podcast today, there have been 10 national elections so far this year. Regardless of whether they were left or right, all 10 incumbent parties lost, with the main driver being cost of living. So, it’s possible that with the cost of living issue affecting the globe, people are just fed up with the incumbent government regardless of their political stance.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's not a "lie" though, that's just an opinion.

Publicly espousing that opinion of the voting pubic is not going to get you votes.

The Dems played this like a shitty baseball manager. They left their starter in well past his prime and lost momentum. Then when relieved they picked a shitty middle reliever to try and close the save; and she threw softballs, so they got rocked in the bottom of the 9th.

All of this was an unforced error on the Dems part. They choked harder than my Yankees choked.

Do better Dems. I'm pretty sure I could have beat Trump if my 11 year old ran and I was her running mate.

 

[daftandbarmy]

F*cking PONTI




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