Two dead, 22 injured in Toronto shooting

[dogger1936]

Actually, in most movies/TV shows the drug-dealing bad guys usually end up with there butts getting blown-off by the good guys! So following Mr. Sheptycki's logic (that violent media influences street violence) we should see less violence because the bad guys watching the movies would realize that drug dealing is not a smart career choice and they should find a safer lifestyle.

Not to mention I doubt many of the gang members sits down with a few other guys eating pop corn figuring out the moral messages of movies.

Gangsta rap however I'm sure is more prevalent.

 

[HDE]

The A-G of Ontario was on one of the TO radio stations, 1010, and claimed the fewer guns on the streets the safer we'd be (he's pushing the Feds for a handgun ban).  The host, John Moore said he'd done some research and it appears gun control doesn't work.  He questioned where the research is to prove it does.  The Minister's response was...the fewer guns on the street the safer we'll all be...

While I only heard audio I was picturing a guy wishing he could hit the floor and roll for cover or, at very least, not being asked to actually justify what he's pushing for.  And this is the Attorney-General of Ontario!!!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Dalton McGuinty changes AG's the way other people change socks. They all have the same message "Ban handguns". It's not the AG's, it's McGuinty's marching orders.

People killed in Toronto with legal, registered hanguns = 1(Brass Rail, 2008), people killed by Ontario Attorney Generals = 1 (AG Michael Bryant, 2009).

Lets ban Ontario Attorney Generals.

Welcome to Bantario.

 

[Oompah-Loompah@]

Charges Laid in Toronto street-party Shooting

Toronto police say a 19-year-old man has been charged in connection with the shooting at an east-end street party that left two people dead and 23 others wounded.

Police sent out a news release on Thursday evening advising that 19-year-old Nahom Tsegazab of Toronto had been charged with reckless discharge of a firearm.

The investigation into the shooting continues.

The shooting occurred just after 10:40 p.m. on Monday, in the midst of an outdoor street party on Danzig Street that police say was attended by at least 100 people.

A 14-year-old Toronto teenager and a 23-year-old man from Ajax, Ont., died in the shooting.

Four people have been shot dead on Toronto streets since the start of the week, including the two victims in the Danzig Street shooting.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/07/19/toronto-street-party-shooting-man-charged.html


Good, he's 19 and can stand trial as an adult.

The people commenting on Yahoo about the accused are unbelievable. It's like presumption of innocence doesn't exist anymore.

I don't even know why I bother posting there.

 

[Bass ackwards]

Reproduced under the fair dealing provisions of the Copyright Act:

Four more people shot in Toronto
By QMI Agency

TORONTO - Four more people have been shot in the city, bringing the total to 31 struck by bullets in the past week in Toronto.

Police were called around 9:40 p.m. Friday to a townhouse in the city’s northwest, where they found a man outside who had been shot in the head. He was taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries. One suspect was being sought by police.

About two hours later, two men were found shot in a car in the west end. One was wounded in the arm and the other in the leg. Their injuries were non-life-threatening.

Then, around 4 a.m. Saturday, a man was shot in the stomach in the city’s east end. He is expected to recover.

It is not known if the shootings are related.

On Monday, two people were killed and 23 others injured when shots rang out at a community barbecue in the east end. Nahom Tsegazab, 19, whom police believe was the intended target, was charged with reckless discharge of a firearm but police have not charged anyone in the two homicides.

On Tuesday, Clayton Wright, 42, was gunned down in a parking lot beside a west-end soccer field. His brother, Winston Wright, 38, turned himself into police on Thursday and was charged with first-degree murder.

On Thursday, Daniel Davis, 27, was found shot dead in a west-end schoolyard. Friends said he had attended Monday’s block party.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty will meet on Monday with Toronto Mayor Rob Ford and Police Chief Bill Blair to discuss how to reduce gun violence.

On June 2, one person was killed and six were injured at the Eaton Centre food court. Christopher Husbands, 23, was charged with one count of first-degree murder and six counts of attempted murder.

Article Link:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2012/07/21/20011731.html

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It's a quagmire...

 

[my72jeep]

Simple fix Nuke Toronto. Mutants are easier to deal with.

 

[GAP]

Simple fix Nuke Toronto. Mutants are easier to deal with.

Nah....that's just harsh man......

You evacuate all the good people from Toronto.....should take, what, 1 maybe 2 ferries.....you have Lake Ontario right there.....move them a goodly distance from the city...


Then NUKE IT!!

once that little chore is done, pull the plugs on the boats.......

see, simple.....just ask. ;D

 

[fraserdw]

Trade Toronto to the Yanks for Maine.  Maine nice, Toronto sucks.

 

[a_majoor]

Several bloggers have used this argument in one form or another in the last few days (in response to both the Toronto shootings and the massacre in Colorado). The problem is not with guns (anyone who knows that virtually every household has an automatic rifle stored there by law, and that gun crime is virtually nonexistent in Switzerland realizes this) but rather people who have become detached from the greater culture and have either joined an alternative "culture" (this blogger compares street gangs to hunter gatherer tribes) or have lost their moorings and become sociopathic (like the shooter in Colorado). Banning guns simply removes one set of tools, we have all heard of gang fights where members weild machetes and baseball bats, and a "lone gunman" can equally drive an SUV into a crowded bush shelter or create an IED (a large number were removed from a neighbourhood in Barrie just recently) or start a fire in a crowded theateror shopping mall. The solution (to the extent there is one) requires reworking the entire culture:

http://canadiancincinnatus.typepad.com/my_weblog/2012/07/the-batman-shootout-in-denver-and-its-root-causes.html

The Batman shootout in Denver and its root causes

The shooting in Denver, coming so close after the Danzig St shootout in Toronto, provides us with an interesting if horrific contrast. As I wrote last Thursday, the key to understanding what happened on Danzig St. is one detail: that it occurred at a Monday night block party. In other words, it was exclusively a welfare phenomenon. Working people can’t tie one on on a Monday night. The solution is therefore obvious: put welfare people to work.

Nevertheless, a small percentage of our murders are like the Batman massacre in Denver, premeditated spree killings done for no reason. While numerically small, these atrocities are the most horrific, not just because of the body count but also their randomness. You can avoid a Danzig St scenario simply by avoiding ‘blockos’, but spree killings can happen anywhere, especially where middle class people congregate, like movie theaters and schools.

It is important to understand that, unlike the Danzig St. shootout, spree killing is almost universally a middle-class phenomenon. I rarely find myself in agreement with that Marxist race-hustler Van Jones, but there was a lot of truth when he said:

You’ve never seen a Columbine done by a black child. Never. They always say, ‘We can’t believe it happened here. We can’t believe it’s these suburban white kids.’ It’s only them.

To be fair, Jones is wrong to say that spree killers are all white. The Virginia Tech killer was Korean. But he was right in that spree killing is a mostly middle class phenomenon. It is not something driven by need or profit or a primitive honour code. It is driven by alienation, which I define here as the feeling that there is no greater purpose in your life beyond yourself. Paradoxically, the disadvantaged poor boys who commit Danzig St-style shootouts do not suffer from this affliction. This is because they belong to a gang. Their higher purpose is gang loyalty. And since street gangs are a modern reincarnation of that most basic form of social organization, the hunter-gather tribe, the loyalty they find is deeply satisfying. The police, the military, the fire department and the night shift at the coal mine all employ the same all-male honour group loyalty mechanism. This is a powerful force: military history is replete with examples of perfectly ordinary men sacrificing their lives for their team. These men were not alienated.

I remember the moment in my life where I felt this tribal loyalty tugging at me the most intensely. It was several years ago at the funeral of a prominent member of the Toronto Estonian community who had died suddenly in his prime. The pews were filled with the who’s-who of the Toronto Estonian community, people I knew my whole life. As I looked around, I became consciously aware of the solidarity I felt in my heart. At that moment, I was content to sacrifice my life for them, with a song in my heart. I had a higher purpose (and still do). I was completely unalienated.

And yet, many suburban kids grow up never experiencing such a sense of purpose, without which true contentment in life is impossible. The fault lies with the parents. They tell their kids, “do whatever you feel is right,” which is about the worst piece of advice you could give your child. Paul Bernardo did what felt right to him, as did James Holmes, the Batman killer.

So the question now becomes, why do parents say these things? Why don’t they inculcate a set of values in their children that is greater than themselves? The root cause, in my opinion, goes all the way back to World War I and the crisis of confidence it spawned. European people went to war in 1914 believing in God and country right down to their bones, but the slaughter that ensued was so massive and so seemingly pointless that these concepts were fundamentally discredited. Religion and patriotism have made a comeback, but never completely. The residual void has been filled at various times by Bolshevism, National Socialism and much more quietly by existentialism (the belief that only personal feelings matter) and nihilism (the belief that the universe is meaningless). The Holocaust of World War II only punctuated this feeling.

Like many bad trends in the 20th century, existentialism and nihilism have its roots in the late German romantic philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche not only influenced Hitler, but the entire existentialist movement – philosophers such as Sartre and Heidegger, and artists such as Ingmar Bergmann, Samuel Becket (especially Waiting for Godot, which is probably the most succinct summary of nihilism yet produced) and most recently Lars von Trier.

It is significant that James Holmes told the police that he is the Joker, as the Joker in the immediately preceding Batman film, The Dark Knight, is one of the most eloquent spokesmen for nihilism that can be found in popular culture. Which is not to say that The Dark Knight was not a moral film. It was, surprisingly so for a comic book flick. After all, the Joker was clearly portrayed as a villain. But for suburban kids who are taught to do what feels right and lack a higher code or a higher cause, the Joker can be a profoundly attractive character. From our hunter-gatherer days, we have been programmed to be attracted to charismatic, fearless leaders who work effectively and passionately towards their goals. And the Joker was all that. The real problem is the moral vacuum that many suburban kids grow up in which allows them to identify with the Joker’s primitive but attractive qualities rather than be repulsed by his evilness.

I have long believed that conservatives are ham-fistedly incompetent in prosecuting the culture war. In this line, I expect somebody like Brent Bozell to demand violence in films to be toned down. Wrong. Won’t do a thing because that isn’t the problem. Banning portrayals of seductive villains like the Joker won’t work either, even if you could figure out a workable legal definition of what you mean. The problem lies deeper. Think of Lars von Trier and the pessimistic, head-in-the-oven films of Ingmar Bergmann. The Joker’s philosophy is just culturally downstream of films like The Seventh Seal, where a returning Crusader plays chess with the devil. And of course, The Seventh Seal is downstream from Waiting for Godot, which is downstream from Heidegger and Nietzsche.

If you want to really fix our society and make it truly healthy as opposed to merely create an outwardly conformist but ultimately shallow Stepford Wives world that the left imagines the 1950’s were, mere bans and prohibitions won’t do. You have to attack the problem at its roots. This means that we have to roll up our sleeves and demonstrate that the philosophical core of nihilism and existentialism is rotten and inferior to a belief in God and country, which is a prerequisite for a functioning society. Then, you have to inspire a whole new generation of artists with these ideas, who will in turn create art that glorifies and promotes Western civilization.

If this sounds like a lot of work, it is. But the first step is to point out the negative consequences of the left’s core philosophical principles when they manifest themselves, events like, say, the Batman massacre.

Similar post here: http://bearsrant.blogspot.ca/2012/07/slaughter-of-innocent.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+ABearsRant+(A+Bear's+Rant)

 

[mariomike]

Saw this in today's news.

"Police-reported crime severity indexes, by census metropolitan area, 2011":
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/120724/t120724b003-eng.htm

The way things have been going lately, it will be interesting to see where Toronto places next year.

 

[Journeyman]

Guns DO kill people.

...in exactly the same way that spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.


It's easier to ban tools/implements than to grip people.  :not-again:


Edit: try to ban. Probably same effect -- only fat people will have forks/spoons.  :

 

[hagan_91]

Toronto is looking more and more like a third world refugee camp. Scarborough is over 50 percent minorities, and its beginning to spread east and west as places like Mississauga and Pickering are becoming almost unbearable. The threat of being stabbed/shot/jumped/raped/robbed are becoming very real. If the govt keeps it up Toronto will become a third class city.

 

[Scott]

Toronto is looking more and more like a third world refugee camp. Scarborough is over 50 percent minorities, and its beginning to spread east and west as places like Mississauga and Pickering are becoming almost unbearable. The threat of being stabbed/shot/jumped/raped/robbed are becoming very real. If the govt keeps it up Toronto will become a third class city.

You had better closely watch your wording, lad.

Scott
Staff

 

[hagan_91]

I no i have to watch my wording and thats whats sad. A white male cant say anything out loud without being "rascist".  But stuff like this can happen and nobody does a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6cLa4xoRo8&feature=related 

 

[Scott]

This is not us vs. them or us vs. you or anything remotely related.

This is about YOU posting this sort of shit. It is not on and you were warned but decided to take it further. Just because others do things that are dumb does not mean it should be franchised out and copied at will.

Welcome to the warning system, up a couple of notches because you pissed me off.

Scott
Staff

 

[Scott]

Please repeat your thoughts to your recruiter.