US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

[George Wallace]

Snowbirds are already headed down South.

 

[lenaitch]

So Country over Party, and over self (if that makes sense

This concept of party loyalty, often blind party loyalty, is something that I will never understand. We have it here as well but it is nowhere near as strong or as pervasive.

I heard a radio interview the other day with someone who had family in the US. The family was 'long time diehard' Republicans, didn't like Trump and didn't agree with anything he proposed, but would vote for him anyway because . . . Republican (or never Democrat, I'm never sure). It almost seems that the US could save a lot of money by just counting registered party members and having the roughly remaining one-third schlepp out to vote every four years.

 

[Remius]

So here are some final guesses. We can see who will get it right lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853674650619744504

 

[GR66]

The biggest question to me is how strong is the Never Trump movement.

Are most of those voters going to be willing to chance a USSC change from 4 years of Harris ? I know several who are still considering voting for Trump simply due to that fact alone.

For Republicans: Thomas is 76, and Alito is 74, Chief Justice Roberts is 69.
For Democrat: Sotomayor is 70, and Kagan is 64

Other Republicans: Kavanaugh is 59, Gorsuch is 57, Barret is 52, and the last Democrat Brown is 54.


So Thomas would be 80 and Alito 78, the loss of those 2 would bring the court to 4-5 R/D.

Many never Trumpers are asking themselves can at least Alito make it (most NT’s want Thomas gone simple as he’s been so visibly influenced by his wife and big money favors) - but ideally not gone under a Harris Presidency.

For me, who’s livelihood can go away with a change in gun laws, it’s a tough decision to make, and it isn’t with a clear conscience that I am going to vote for Harris - but it is will a much clearer conscience that if I was going to vote to DJT. So Country over Party, and over self (if that makes sense).

Interesting take on the USSC appointments. I wonder how many Republicans in the general voting public are taking that into consideration in their vote choice. Not something that is normally a big factor north of the 49th.

 

[Brad Sallows]

(most NT’s want Thomas gone simple as he’s been so visibly influenced by his wife and big money favors)

That isn't proven; it isn't provable. It's a story NT's tell themselves as part of rationalizing their noble self-image standing against the rest of the Republican party.

 

[KevinB]

Interesting take on the USSC appointments. I wonder how many Republicans in the general voting public are taking that into consideration in their vote choice. Not something that is normally a big factor north of the 49th.

For gun owners at least it’s always on the forefront.

 

[suffolkowner]

For gun owners at least it’s always on the forefront.

do you really think thats on the table? Seems like a big swing

 

[OldSolduer]

This concept of party loyalty, often blind party loyalty, is something that I will never understand. We have it here as well but it is nowhere near as strong or as pervasive.

JT's Liberal Party enters the chat as does most of Toronto...

 

[suffolkowner]

JT's Liberal Party enters the chat as does most of Toronto...

does it? There doesnt seem to be much support there right now. Didnt they lose the last two byelections in Toronto and Montreal?

 

[KevinB]

That isn't proven; it isn't provable. It's a story NT's tell themselves as part of rationalizing their noble self-image standing against the rest of the Republican party.

Honestly even amongst a lot of die hard Trump folks he’s a bit of a liability. It’s one of the only common beliefs— albeit no one wants him gone for a Democratic appointee.

 

[MrWhyt]

That isn't proven; it isn't provable.

whether or not he has been influenced doesn't need to be proven. The fact that he's received multiple high value gifts and only reported them after they were found out should be enough to make him (or any other judge in a similar situation) resign. The judges of the highest court in the land shouldn't have questionable integrity.

 

[Brad Sallows]

whether or not he has been influenced doesn't need to be proven. The fact that he's received multiple high value gifts and only reported them after they were found out should be enough to make him (or any other judge in a similar situation) resign. The judges of the highest court in the land shouldn't have questionable integrity.

His integrity isn't in question, except by the people who have targeted him as the oldest Republican-appointed member of the bench, and therefore the one most likely to be next to resign. If he refuses to recuse when one of his friends brings a matter before the court, that's questionable. And his wife's activities are her own. Women's agency and independence of men is a bedrock principle of pretty much everyone opposed to him. The same principle applies to men with respect to their wives.

Thomas has been following the same lines of legal thought since before he was appointed to the USSC. There's nothing there to be "bought". If anyone wanted to buy one justice, he'd be the least likely candidate since he's most likely to be an outlier, often writing his own opinions even in concurrence. And it would probably be necessary to "buy" at least 3 justices to even have a hope of swaying a decision.

None of the criticisms pass a common sense test. People who think they can see hidden motives are not immune from the counter-charge that they can have hidden motives, foremost among which is ejecting Republican-appointed justices by any means available. Their honesty is indeterminate.

 

[MrWhyt]

His integrity isn't in question

If you think a judge taking gifts and not reporting them is totally ethical then I don't think there is much else to say.

If he refuses to recuse when one of his friends brings a matter before the court, that's questionable.

so these may not be bribes, but merely a retainer fee for a future bribe.