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US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence

Fishbone Jones said:
Because people for Harris want to untruthfully tie it to Trump. How many times did the democrats drag the tome onto the stage at the DNC, claiming it was Trump’s manifesto?
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Yes guilty by association. And that many of his policies are mirrors of the project, because Project 2025 used Trump's views and policies as their framework.
Fishbone Jones said:
And connections are not proof in this case.
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Doesn't help that a number of his top advisors are tied to the organizations at that are championing it including his VP pick.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
You mean like Harris. You're obsfucating. You're basing on gut. Not evidence. Tangible or otherwise. Tell me, would you prefer charges based on your evidence? Would you expect a conviction?
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I’ll explain this to you as gently as possible because I know it can be hard- but the threshold to criminally convict someone and maybe send them to jail is different from the threshold to believe someone may hold and be concealing support for a not super great political agenda. If this shocks you I’m sorry.

I of course see what you’re trying to do in taking my rigorous application of evidence in criminal matters, and flip it back on me to suggest that nothing political can be believed save that it hits such a high level of convincing proof. So you’re still being silly, but also hypocritical and disingenuous. You yourself have shown over and over that you’ll believe some outlandish and wacky stuff on the strength of nearly nothing if it aligns with a preconceived belief you hold.

Back in the real world, many of us are very capable of recognizing that Trump has already shown himself capable and willing of saying and doing anything he has to to try to gain or hold power, or to otherwise enrich himself. And everything he does in the political realm is tainted by that.

You cannot take someone at face value when they have a multitude of faces. He only gets to burn the benefit of the doubt… I don’t know, a few hundred times before he stops getting it.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
So you have nothing except angst.
All I've asked for is proof. The true evidence everyone always harps on. You can't provide that.
I've kept our exchange pretty impersonal. If you want to move to personal attacks I can do that in spades buckwheat.

Oh and one of these fine Mentors better sort you out on the TDS shit.
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this is not a court of law, I have no need to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I've taken trump's past behaviour as a liar and applied it to his statement of disavowal. Add in the various connections between his administration/campaign and project 2025 and i've come to the conclusion that he's most likely not being truthful, again.
 
MrWhyt said:
this is not a court of law, I have no need to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I've taken trump's past behaviour as a liar and applied it to his statement of disavowal. Add in the various connections between his administration/campaign and project 2025 and i've come to the conclusion that he's most likely not being truthful, again.
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So just hate. Not proof.
 
Grunt_031 said:
Yes guilty by association. And that many of his policies are mirrors of the project, because Project 2025 used Trump's views and policies as their framework.

Doesn't help that a number of his top advisors are tied to the organizations at that are championing it including his VP pick.
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Nope. Doesn't work, unless you want to create a new level of proof on the forum. Hearsay and hate doesn't cut it.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
Nope. Doesn't work, unless you want to create a new level of proof on the forum. Hearsay and hate doesn't cut it.
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Doesn’t work for who?

Several people have shown major connections between Trump and Project 2025, practically handholding that A + B = C. But no, that’s not enough proof.

Meanwhile, anything remotely bad about Trudeau is totally believable and 100% verified.

Pick a lane.
 
MrWhyt said:
this is not a court of law, I have no need to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I've taken trump's past behaviour as a liar and applied it to his statement of disavowal. Add in the various connections between his administration/campaign and project 2025 and i've come to the conclusion that he's most likely not being truthful, again.
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There's a couple here that would disagree with you. And not of my persuasion.

So, tell me what you think of Harris' lies and Walz's stolen valour?
 
The trainwreck is back open, play nice. If your post was deleted because I took too long between posting and lock, please feel free to repost.
 
Brad Sallows said:
It sounds like neither candidate excessively undistinguished or distinguished itself. Back to the campaign trail.
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Having watched the majority of the debate tonight (albeit in the background of doing other stuff), I really think that how one assesses tonight's debate performance is indicative of one's grasp of reality. To conclude that Trump's and Harris' performance tonight was equal is so concretely incorrect that to do so in my mind either means that you're either a classic American voter, or just a hopeless partisan. There's no objective way to compare the entirety of what Kamala Harris said tonight against Donald Trump.

As just a limited example:

"Victor Orban, one of the most respected men"

On an Obama Care replacement: "So you don't have a plan". "Well I have a concept of a plan".

Trump was a complete fool tonight who couldn't figure out that he wasn't in a rally in a politically safe state. Biden dropping out of the race should have removed the vast majority of the possible attack vectors that the GOP were pushing, but here we are, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter.
 
KevinB said:
Honestly Trump looked like Biden did in the first debate.

Even some very hard core Trump supporters I know where like ‘oh shit’ after the debate last night.
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is that a fall off for Trump or just by comparison now that he is the old man?
 
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