geo said:WOs and MWOs do not get their scroll
geo said:... guess they have to wait to get an office issued to them 1st
Not arguing with you on that matter ibilola. Was going thru some of my Gramp's papers and thru WW1, Officers would get new commission scrolls as they got promoted.
Someone is being chintzy with the paper I guess.
ibilola said:I'm surprised to hear a WO5 is equivalent to a LtCol. I thought all US WOs were junior to a second lieutenant. And if the US WO1 (the most junior grade) is only appointed by Warrant, why do enlisted personnel have to salute him or her? I thought the commission was saluted, not the person.
Duey said:I have also seen non-commissioned WO2's as well....
Could you have added any more to the confusion?2FtOnion said:example: A Chief Warrant Officer who fills a billet of Regimental Sergeant Major of a Battalion, would be equivalent to a Sergeant Major who fills a billet of Battalion Sergeant Major: A Battalion Sergeant Major is the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Bn Colonel, and is responsible for the discipline and morale of all enlisted Marines
From my point of view a CDN WO, CWO, is more comparable to a Gunnery Sergeant, 1st Sergeant/Master Sergeant, Sergeant Major/Master Gunnery Sergeant rather than a Warrant Officer, Chief Warrant Officer in the Marine Corps.
2FtOnion said:1. When comparing ranks in general between any military, a great start is to find out at what rank fills what billet?
2. The responsibilies that billet has?
Comparing Ranks only in Name only is futile,
example: A Chief Warrant Officer who fills a billet of Regimental Sergeant Major of a Battalion, would be equivalent to a Sergeant Major who fills a billet of Battalion Sergeant Major: A Battalion Sergeant Major is the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Bn Colonel, and is responsible for the discipline and morale of all enlisted Marines
From my point of view a CDN WO, CWO, is more comparable to a Gunnery Sergeant, 1st Sergeant/Master Sergeant, Sergeant Major/Master Gunnery Sergeant rather than a Warrant Officer, Chief Warrant Officer in the Marine Corps.
ibilola said:Equivalent to a Master Warrant Officer?
AmmoTech90 said:ibilola, stop thinking that just because the rank is written the same the positions and responsibilities are the same across countries.
A British WO2 would be equivalent to a MWO, and American is not. An American WO2 is closed to a 2Lt.
American Warrant Officers are not the same as a Commonwealth Warrant Officers, they are not the same as Commonwealth Officers. The fall somewhere in between, actually closer to Commonwealth Officers. They may be direct entries (some pilots) or very experienced NCOs who have gone the Warrant Officer route. Either way they fulfil a specialist technical position that may be simply flying, or it may be advising a battalion commander on training and weapons.
For the American system, the Warrant Officer is heavy on the officer, the Commonwealth, heavy on the Warrant.
ibilola said:AmmoTech90
I understand the difference but you mentioned commissioned CW2s and non-commissioned WO2s in your previous post. I assumed you were referring to different ranks/ armies.
AmmoTech90 said:That was actually Duey's post.
AmmoTech90 said:From what I can tell, there no longer any US WO2s, at least the service websites for Army, Navy, USMC don't list it as a rank anymore.
Acorn said:The US Army doesn't have a WO2 rank. They have WO1, and then CW2, CW3 etc to CW5. The CWs are commissioned as has been mentioned before.
Comparing billets works to a point, but it gets more confusing when you go outside the aviation role of US WOs.
Acorn