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Will the C17s Make it to the Ramp?

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JackD said:
It's the 31st.. is the deal done??

Hard to say right now - much like the race commentary above it is still too close to call.  ;D

Word from the DAR Office is that the Cdn Govt has requested an extension for a couple days to finalize a few things, and word from the PMO is that it is just about a done deal ... the ink should be drying soon.  The team is down in Long Beach right now with Boeing so it should be happening soon.
 
nice to hear - so what is Bombardier going to get in return for permitting this to happen?
 
JackD said:
nice to hear - so what is Bombardier going to get in return for permitting this to happen?

Hopefully nothing ... they can just muddle ahead and blunder around in the capitalist marketplace that they are already in.  If they don't like the fact that they lost out to another company they can always pack their bags and take their ball with them and go to some place like "The People's Democratic republic of Asscrackistan" where Govt interference will keep their incompetent little compnay afloat through National interference and pork barrel politics.

On the plus side .. news from 30 Jan ....

Harper rebuffs protests from Duceppe that province should get larger share

DANIEL LEBLANC

OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper slapped down complaints from the Bloc Québécois yesterday that Quebec's share of the economic benefits flowing from a forthcoming military purchase is too low.

"I can say with certainty that Quebec and other regions will get benefits. However, if the Bloc achieves its goal of separation, I can assure [Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe] that the benefits in Quebec will be nil," Mr. Harper said during Question Period.

Quebec accounts for 55 to 60 per cent of the country's aerospace industry, but it is to receive only about 30 per cent of the Canadian benefits to come as part of a $3.4-billion contract for four Boeing C-17 military cargo planes.

Mr. Duceppe complained that the government should have fought harder for Quebec's aerospace industry -- a theme he is expected to use in coming weeks to attack the Harper government as out of touch with Quebec's interests. "How can the government award an untendered contract [to Boeing],
worth billions of dollars, without first ensuring that Quebec gets 60 per cent of the benefits, as it deserves?" Mr. Duceppe said in the House.

Public Works Minister Michael Fortier, who is also the minister responsible for Montreal, had been fighting behind the scenes to obtain the "maximum for Quebec," a government source said. But Mr. Fortier failed to secure benefits in the 40-per-cent range for Quebec as he had hoped, and the government is now publicly thwarting any effort to increase benefits in favour of a specific region. Mr. Fortier, who sits in the Senate, could not be reached yesterday.

Mr. Harper was joined by his ministers of Defence and Industry in defending the current deal, which a cabinet committee approved last week. "When I hear the Bloc Québécois asking this government to interfere in a private contract in order to dictate to Boeing which firms it should work with, it's disrespectful, irresponsible, and the government won't do it," Industry Minister Maxime Bernier told reporters.

The issue has created touchy relations between Mr. Fortier and the Department of National Defence, which wants the planes as soon as possible and feels that his demands for benefits in Quebec are unrealistic.


Hopefully something really positive is about to happen ..... but then again ....
 
Lets just hope there is enough maturity there for the future contract awarding processes on the other equipment not become a pissing match between a thwarted Public Works Minister Michael Fortier and O'Connor. Fortier needs and wants a seat in the next election, and he's going to try and pump up his image in Quebec as much as possible in the meantime.
 
Off subject (sort of) for a moment BUT.... WTF!  Why did the PM have to bring up the subject of Seperation of Quebec?.... at any time?

"When I hear the Bloc Québécois asking this government to interfere in a private contract in order to dictate to Boeing which firms it should work with, it's disrespectful, irresponsible, and the government won't do it," Industry Minister Maxime Bernier told reporters.

.... single source contracting could be termed interference - no matter that, other than Antonov, there are no other Mfgs... no matter that it is expedient and there is a need for the equipment right this very minute.
 
Why Quebec and separation... I guess...  normal Canadian politics. i smell an election coming up... So, was the agreement signed???
 
Gov't inks $3.4B deal to buy Boeing jets : CTV

Updated Thu. Feb. 1 2007 11:37 AM ET

David Akin, CTV News

OTTAWA -- The government of Canada has finally inked a $3.4-billion deal with Boeing Co. to buy four C-17 Globemasters -- giant jets the Canadian Air Force will use to transport tanks and other large pieces of military equipment all over the world.

CTV News has learned that government officials will announce details of the contract on Friday.

The government had earlier announced that it wanted to buy these jets from Boeing and was negotiating with the Chicago-based company on the terms of the deal.

But those negotiations got tripped up by demands from Sen. Michael Fortier, the public works minister who is the Conservative political minister for Montreal, that Boeing should spend a significant portion of the contract buying goods and services from Quebec-based aerospace companies.

Under the terms of most military contracts, the Canadian government requires a vendor who wins a deal to supply Canada with military equipment to spend $1 buying goods and services from Canadian suppliers for every dollar it receives from the Canadian taxpayer. These are known in procurement circles as industrial regional benefits or IRBs.

Because the Quebec aerospace industry accounts for about 55 or 60 per cent of Canada's overall aerospace sector, Fortier had asked that Quebec firms get at least 40 per cent of the IRBs.

But CTV News has learned that Fortier's pleas for Quebec to receive as much a $1.4 billion in industrial benefits from Boeing have not been convincing and that Quebec will receive only about $850 million or 25 per cent of the IRBs.

Ontario aerospace firms and suppliers with links to Boeing can also expect about 25 per cent.

Western Canadian provinces, particularly Manitoba, can expect about 20 per cent of the IRB pie and Atlantic Canada can expect between five and 10 per cent.

Vic Toews, the Treasury Board President and political minister for Manitoba and Peter MacKay, the foreign affairs minister and political minister for the Atlantic region, had also lobbied hard to make sure their regions benefited from the contract, one of the largest the Canadian government has ever signed.

Canada could take delivery of its first C-17 as early as this summer. The others will be delivered over the next few years.

The Air Force has decided that it will station the C-17s at CFB Trenton, in southern Ontario.
 
        Great news for the Airforce should be interesting to see this big birds fly out of Trenton in Canadian Airforce colors
 
Great news! Finally common sense ove politics - how unusual....
 
Hope they were smart enough to take options for a couple additional airframes.
 
geo said:
Off subject (sort of) for a moment BUT.... WTF!  Why did the PM have to bring up the subject of Separation of Quebec?.... at any time?

Because the separatists need to understand the simple fact that they cannot pursue their agenda to separate from Canada and yet at the same time reap the economic rewards as if they were still a part of Canada.  They cannot have their cake and eat it too.  You're either part of Canada and celebrate the economic benefits that comes with that membership, or you're not and you don't get to participate.  Duceppe and the Bloc need to get this basic fundamental idea into their heads.

geo said:
.... single source contracting could be termed interference - no matter that, other than Antonov, there are no other Mfgs... no matter that it is expedient and there is a need for the equipment right this very minute.

Very true - in fact we needed this equipment about 2 years ago .... 2005 as was initially planned in the FSA project.
However,
It wasn't single source.
It did go out to competitive tender on MERX.
Once again the press is reporting it incorrectly and the politicians have jumped all over that lead.

Antonov lost because the couldn't satisfy certain requirements.
Illyshin lost for the same reason.
Airbus lost because they couldn't deliver on time and meet the delivery schedule we stipulated in the SOR etc ..
A private company's bid lost because it was basically ridiculous (not for this thread).
Boeing won.

Simple.  Period.  Dot.

Delivery schedule as follows:

1 - P-177 Aug 2007
2 - P-180 Oct 2007
3 - Mar 2008
4 - April 2008
 
I can only think of one thing to say at this time:

Allah be praised.
 
Don't do that Kirkhill! He might want a slice of the regional benefits too! I can just see the headline now:

Boeing Forced to Give 80% of Regional Economic Benefits to Paradise After Allah Secures Contract for CF

MG
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:

Sorry my computer crashed mid-reply

Globe what is meant by the P-177 and P180 numbers? Are those going to be the numbers of the airframes? How come the last two aren't numbered yet?
 
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