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Ghost; please, by all means don't let any of us stop you.
Would you enlist in the US Marines if it were open to Canadians?
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USSRsovietsnake
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Since i don't want you all to be upset with me ill say I'm sorry for causing a missunderstanding that sounded more like in insult than a sarcastic stupid remark.
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USSR - Maybe you should just lay low for awhile, and read as many different topics as possible. Kind of get a "feel" for the attitude, flavour, and tone of the more seasoned posters. New users are always encouraged to read more, and post less, until they get the hang of things. We'd like the boards to be a positive experience for everybody, including you.
If you would like more explanation, or have any questions, please feel free to PM me directly.
Thanks in advance....
If you would like more explanation, or have any questions, please feel free to PM me directly.
Thanks in advance....
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Seems like the Aussies have no problems with shopping for outside talents:
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http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/caree...eaInfoBody.html
Overseas Recruitment
Overseas recruitment is designed to supplement, but not replace, Australian domestic recruiting efforts. Overseas recruitment will permit the Australian Army's sponsorship of ex serving or serving foreign military personnel for service in the Army. Individuals will be recruited on the basis of their experience and/or skills in order to relieve shortfalls in Australian Regular Army personnel capability.
Army will only sponsor the recruitment of ex serving or serving foreign military personnel for service in the Army. Foreign nationals who do not have prior military experience must apply for enlistment in Army through Defence Force Recruiting once they have satisfied normal Australian permanent residency requirements.
Army has nominated a series of appointments and trades as occupations that are considered suitable for sponsorship. Occupations have been broadly grouped into Officer and Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) categories. The NCO category includes personnel of Warrant Officer rank. Personnel recruited from overseas under the auspices of the Labour Agreement must be recruited to an occupation as defined in the Agreement.
An individual who is of a rank appropriate to the Agreement, but who has not completed the required minimum level of formal study or who is below the rank specified, but has operational experience, skills or formal training sufficient to warrant recruitment, action may be considered under the Employer Nominated Scheme (ENS). The ENS is a separate provision and is not part of the Labour Agreement.
Officer Selection Criteria
Army may recruit an officer deemed suitable for service in the Australian Army, providing that the following key criteria are met:
The individual possesses a recognised tertiary qualification requiring at least three years full-time study in an appropriate discipline;
The individual possesses experience and/or training assessed as being equivalent to an Australian tertiary qualification requiring a minimum of three years full-time study;
The individual possesses experience and/or training that can be readily assessed by Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (DIMA) to be equivalent to an Australian tertiary qualification requiring at least three years full-time study. In military terms, the individual must have completed the following minimum equivalent full-time study;
Successful completion of a level of education equivalent to an Australian Higher School Certificate;
Successful completion of a level of military commissioning training equivalent to the Royal Military College Duntroon;
Successful completion of a level of military education equivalent to a Regular Officer Basic Course;
Successful completion of a level of military education equivalent to the Intermediate Staff Course.
Successful completion of specialised training and experience so that the officer is fully qualified for employment in the appointment that the officer is to be allocated to;
If from a non-English speaking background, the individual has a minimum vocational proficiency in English (as defined by DIMA); and
The officer possesses a rank of at least Captain.
Non-Commissioned Officer Selection Criteria
Army may recruit a soldier deemed suitable for service in the Australian Army, providing that the following key criteria are met:
As a minimum, have successfully completed a level of education equivalent to an Australian Secondary School certificate (year 10) and have completed relevant specialist Defence Force training courses and experience equivalent to at least 3 years full-time study, so that the nominee is fully qualified for employment in the occupation in which they have been nominated within Army (see below under the heading 'Education').
Possess a minimum of three years relevant post-qualification experience.
If from a non-English speaking background, the individual has a minimum vocational proficiency in English (as defined by DIMA).
The soldier possesses a rank of at least Sergeant.
Education
All overseas qualifications submitted must be accompanied by an assessment of Australian equivalencies. This is to be undertaken at the applicant's cost.
The body that assesses overseas trade and education qualifications is AEI (Australian Education International). AEI, through the National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition (AEI-NOOSR), provides official information and advice on the comparability of overseas qualifications with Australian qualifications. This aims to help overseas qualified people work and study in Australia.
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http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/caree...eaInfoBody.html
Overseas Recruitment
Overseas recruitment is designed to supplement, but not replace, Australian domestic recruiting efforts. Overseas recruitment will permit the Australian Army's sponsorship of ex serving or serving foreign military personnel for service in the Army. Individuals will be recruited on the basis of their experience and/or skills in order to relieve shortfalls in Australian Regular Army personnel capability.
Army will only sponsor the recruitment of ex serving or serving foreign military personnel for service in the Army. Foreign nationals who do not have prior military experience must apply for enlistment in Army through Defence Force Recruiting once they have satisfied normal Australian permanent residency requirements.
Army has nominated a series of appointments and trades as occupations that are considered suitable for sponsorship. Occupations have been broadly grouped into Officer and Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) categories. The NCO category includes personnel of Warrant Officer rank. Personnel recruited from overseas under the auspices of the Labour Agreement must be recruited to an occupation as defined in the Agreement.
An individual who is of a rank appropriate to the Agreement, but who has not completed the required minimum level of formal study or who is below the rank specified, but has operational experience, skills or formal training sufficient to warrant recruitment, action may be considered under the Employer Nominated Scheme (ENS). The ENS is a separate provision and is not part of the Labour Agreement.
Officer Selection Criteria
Army may recruit an officer deemed suitable for service in the Australian Army, providing that the following key criteria are met:
The individual possesses a recognised tertiary qualification requiring at least three years full-time study in an appropriate discipline;
The individual possesses experience and/or training assessed as being equivalent to an Australian tertiary qualification requiring a minimum of three years full-time study;
The individual possesses experience and/or training that can be readily assessed by Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs (DIMA) to be equivalent to an Australian tertiary qualification requiring at least three years full-time study. In military terms, the individual must have completed the following minimum equivalent full-time study;
Successful completion of a level of education equivalent to an Australian Higher School Certificate;
Successful completion of a level of military commissioning training equivalent to the Royal Military College Duntroon;
Successful completion of a level of military education equivalent to a Regular Officer Basic Course;
Successful completion of a level of military education equivalent to the Intermediate Staff Course.
Successful completion of specialised training and experience so that the officer is fully qualified for employment in the appointment that the officer is to be allocated to;
If from a non-English speaking background, the individual has a minimum vocational proficiency in English (as defined by DIMA); and
The officer possesses a rank of at least Captain.
Non-Commissioned Officer Selection Criteria
Army may recruit a soldier deemed suitable for service in the Australian Army, providing that the following key criteria are met:
As a minimum, have successfully completed a level of education equivalent to an Australian Secondary School certificate (year 10) and have completed relevant specialist Defence Force training courses and experience equivalent to at least 3 years full-time study, so that the nominee is fully qualified for employment in the occupation in which they have been nominated within Army (see below under the heading 'Education').
Possess a minimum of three years relevant post-qualification experience.
If from a non-English speaking background, the individual has a minimum vocational proficiency in English (as defined by DIMA).
The soldier possesses a rank of at least Sergeant.
Education
All overseas qualifications submitted must be accompanied by an assessment of Australian equivalencies. This is to be undertaken at the applicant's cost.
The body that assesses overseas trade and education qualifications is AEI (Australian Education International). AEI, through the National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition (AEI-NOOSR), provides official information and advice on the comparability of overseas qualifications with Australian qualifications. This aims to help overseas qualified people work and study in Australia.
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i think this is a pretty interesting post, especially to someone like myself. i toyed with the idea of joining the australian, NZ and american armies, as well as the royal marines and the FFL before finally ending up here in iraq with a private organization..... and no, i didnt come here to kill people, i came because i support the cause and i wanted to feel the rush of being in a place like this... of course the action was a draw as well.
after being over here i will say this, i would join the marines in a second if i could. when i look at a marine and then a normal US Army soldier the difference is evident, your average marine looks fitter, and more confident than any bread of soldier i have ever seen, it never fails to impress me whenever i see them. dont get me wrong the army fellas are doing a great job as well, but there is just something about the USMC that makes me give them that extra bit of respect.
more than anything, i wish that canada had a better military, one where questions like this didnt need to be asked. almost any person ive met in the canadian army has at one point thought of what it would be like to be in an army with more money, more numbers, more equipment, more deployments, and most important, more public support.
after being over here i will say this, i would join the marines in a second if i could. when i look at a marine and then a normal US Army soldier the difference is evident, your average marine looks fitter, and more confident than any bread of soldier i have ever seen, it never fails to impress me whenever i see them. dont get me wrong the army fellas are doing a great job as well, but there is just something about the USMC that makes me give them that extra bit of respect.
more than anything, i wish that canada had a better military, one where questions like this didnt need to be asked. almost any person ive met in the canadian army has at one point thought of what it would be like to be in an army with more money, more numbers, more equipment, more deployments, and most important, more public support.
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"almost any person ive met in the canadian army has at one point thought of what it would be like to be in an army with more money, more numbers, more equipment, more deployments, and most important, more public support."
yeah :-\
yeah :-\
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2332Piper said:Down with yankee imperialism!!!!
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As Infanteer pointed out, we're all fighting on the same side. It's just that in a foreign military like the US/UK/Aussie ones, their political leaders actually back up their rhetoric with action. It must get frustrating for many of the troops here to know that there is a war to be fought, that they want to do their part and are able to do their part and yet our political leadership has neither the courage or stones to do what has to be done.
And at least in my case (if I were to go down), is that the US's values and how they do things is more in tune with my beliefs then what we have here.
Amen
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Our country is as corrupt as any can get...
We have several generations of liberal leadership who spend and refuse to be held accountable for their inexcusable actions...
We have people who have distorted views of reality fed to them by previous generations of politicians...
Same smug people who complain and bash the americans more as a trend than anything...
What do we really have left that is so freakin great anymore?
I would join the USMC in a heart beat. Honour and duty probably still mean something down there?
We have several generations of liberal leadership who spend and refuse to be held accountable for their inexcusable actions...
We have people who have distorted views of reality fed to them by previous generations of politicians...
Same smug people who complain and bash the americans more as a trend than anything...
What do we really have left that is so freakin great anymore?
I would join the USMC in a heart beat. Honour and duty probably still mean something down there?
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D-n-A
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I'd join the US Army or USMC if I could, I looked into it awhile ago, I tried to join the US Army awhile ago, but because its very hard to get a green card, I coulden't. To bad the US Military doesn't sponser green cards anymore, thats how my father was able to join the US Army in the '60s.
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I'm with you rick. Marines are awesome. Not as well trained as us, but that warrior spirit coupled with their record makes them a unit I'd proudly serve with. I also like how they have inflicted the highest kill ratio in history against the Chinese at the Chosin Reservoir in Korea.
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McAllister said:
Um.. what facts do you have to back that statement up.
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McAllister
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Allow me to rephrase: I HEARD from both a Marine and a CF soldier that the basic Marine was not as well trained in the broader sense, like advanced fieldcraft, nav, AT, AA, etc. However there are Recon Marines, and also so many marines have combat experience, which is worth so much. Both the Marine corps and the CF can bring so much hurt to an enemy force. I don't know, man. Hey. Forget everything I said.
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McAllister said:
Heresay is crap. My cousins are all Marines and there bootcamp is a true warrior school. You can say that about the other branches- they're booties arent up to mustard(Navy and Air Force) or the Army(pretty much our bmq)But the Marines beat them into Marines from the moment they step on the field. They might not be the brightest lot but Id fight along with 'em anyday. The change in my cousins was tremendous.
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Yeah. thats another thing I love about the Marine Corps. Every Marine's a rifleman first.
Thats good news about your cousins. I read a book called Making the Corps. It was pretty much an author spending every day with a Marine boot platoon from start to grad. The transformation they would make in these kids who just came of the streets and were involved in gangs and violent crimes was crazy. They'd go from drinking a 40 oz on the corner to standing rigid as a stature guarding embassies.
Thats good news about your cousins. I read a book called Making the Corps. It was pretty much an author spending every day with a Marine boot platoon from start to grad. The transformation they would make in these kids who just came of the streets and were involved in gangs and violent crimes was crazy. They'd go from drinking a 40 oz on the corner to standing rigid as a stature guarding embassies.
