2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Remius]

Do we want to look like Europe?

Strange thing to ask when you consider our history…

Germany, France, or the UK where you can be charged by police if your internet post gives someone anxeity.

ah yes, you mean the online hate speech and incitement case? Interesting case that one.

Or are you referring to something else? Maybe a link would be good to see what we are talking about here and we can see if that would be part of any trade deal or if you just jumped to an extreme.

 

[Lumber]

Strange thing to ask when you consider our history…

ah yes, you mean the online hate speech and incitement case? Interesting case that one.

Or are you referring to something else? Maybe a link would be good to see what we are talking about here and we can see if that would be part of any trade deal or if you just jumped to an extreme.

There's a video that made the rounds on SM of an American reporter interviewing three German lawyers and he asked if it was a crime to just "insult" someone online and they said yes, and even said that it was considered worse than insulting someone in person because it's more shareable and permanent.

 

[Czech_pivo]

But yet they can buy burner phones anywhere and everywhere to use in total anonymity while we can do no such thing.

There's a video that made the rounds on SM of an American reporter interviewing three German lawyers and he asked if it was a crime to just "insult" someone online and they said yes, and even said that it was considered worse than insulting someone in person because it's more shareable and permanent.

 

[Remius]

There's a video that made the rounds on SM of an American reporter interviewing three German lawyers and he asked if it was a crime to just "insult" someone online and they said yes, and even said that it was considered worse than insulting someone in person because it's more shareable and permanent.

Oh so in that case we are basing Europe on the word of three lawyers in a media interview. Interesting.

So that is a disqualifier then to expand trade with Europe?

 

[Weinie]

For trade? Yeah you sort of have to do that. It doesn’t just magically sprout out of a tree.

Like "and the budget will balance itself" magic?

 

[lenaitch]

Just for once, I wish that politicians would campaign within their Constitutional boundaries.

A federal government should not be concerned about recruiting doctors to work for provinces, who actually deliver the health care Canadians receive.

It is about like a provincial politician campaigning on defence or foreign policy issues…

I agree, but the electorate and polls inform them. 'The government must do something about 'x' (healthcare, housing, etc.). No politician or campaign manager is even going to say 'not our problem'. They are do-ers, they are fixers, they are leaders, they are take-chargers.

In areas of provincial responsibility, the role of the feds is remove barriers..

 

[The Bread Guy]

Do we want to look like Europe?

Well, you pointed to Canada sliding in the world's happiest countries index as one measure of un-success, so if it's any comfort, an fair number of the top ten - ahead of Canada - are in Europe (or northern Europe)

Happiest Countries in the World 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Meanwhile, survey says ~1/3 of SK, AB respondents, 30% of QC respondents, say "time to GTFO if Team Red wins federally"

Separatist sentiment? Three-in-10 in Alberta & Saskatchewan say they’d like to leave if Liberals form next government -

Separatist sentiment is weaker now than in 2019, but persists in AB, SK, and Quebec April 6, 2025 – As if Election 45 could was looking for more drama, former opposition leader and Reform Party founder Preston Manning was rebuked by both Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre and Liberal leader...

angusreid.org

Some highlights




Alt link: https://archive.ph/CC2jK

 

[The Bread Guy]

I agree, but the electorate and polls inform them.

Can confirm. In my previous life as a city hall reporter, I lost count the number of times I saw/heard 1) municipal politicians dealing with stuff out side their mandate (mostly "we'd like to see x happen", but still), and 2) taxpayers asking levels of government to fix things that weren't handled by that level of government. I've heard they're teaching civics of some sort in some provinces, but I don't know if that's working well

No politician or campaign manager is even going to say 'not our problem'. They are do-ers, they are fixers, they are leaders, they are take-chargers.

Ah, there's always a "Yes, Minister" quote, isn't there?

In areas of provincial responsibility, the role of the feds is remove barriers..

1000% - or, at the least, try to be the (reluctant) herder of the provincial cats when it comes to trying to make things a bit uniform.

 

[Lumber]

Well, you pointed to Canada sliding in the world's happiest countries index as one measure of un-success, so if it's any comfort, an fair number of the top ten - ahead of Canada - are in Europe (or northern Europe)

Happiest Countries in the World 2025

worldpopulationreview.com

Meanwhile, survey says ~1/3 of SK, AB respondents, 30% of QC respondents, say "time to GTFO if Team Red wins federally"

Separatist sentiment? Three-in-10 in Alberta & Saskatchewan say they’d like to leave if Liberals form next government -

Separatist sentiment is weaker now than in 2019, but persists in AB, SK, and Quebec April 6, 2025 – As if Election 45 could was looking for more drama, former opposition leader and Reform Party founder Preston Manning was rebuked by both Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre and Liberal leader...

angusreid.org

Some highlights
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Alt link: https://archive.ph/CC2jK

Here's my totally tinfoil hat take; the liberals win, then without any kind of formal resolution/referendum, Daniel Smith announces publicly that AB is unilaterally separating from the Dominion, and lo and behold, her many meetings down in the US included getting support from the Trump administration for such a move, and US forces surge north into AB under the guise of protecting the Albertans who have been "unfairly treated by ottawa" for so long (might even throw in "ethnically American people of Alberta").

 

[RangerRay]

A boring dude trying not to be boring during an election- but it’s an appealing sentiment right now.

Obviously Canada will not be a commanding economic power in the new order- but we are in the top ten economies in the world, we’re a major natural resource supplier and have a skilled and educated workforce, and the timing of our hosting the G7 summit is certainly fortuitous. We should promote the hell out of Canada as a trading partner. Canada may be in a position to take a leadership role through persuasion and influence, and given the economic nature of the current global crisis, Carney is relatively well equipped to play a role there.

EDIT TO ADD: And here’s the clip. It’s worth the two minute watch.

It’s a nice sentiment, but when has Canada led at anything? I remember when everyone got queasy about “Own the Podium” and called it “un-Canadian”

That guy needs to campaign for opposition and stop campaigning to be PM.

He needs to take on the Liberals rather than the Tories. Show why the NDP is best equipped to take Poilievre on than the Liberals.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Here's my totally tinfoil hat take; the liberals win, then without any kind of formal resolution/referendum, Daniel Smith announces publicly that AB is unilaterally separating from the Dominion, and lo and behold, her many meetings down in the US included getting support from the Trump administration for such a move, and US forces surge north into AB under the guise of protecting the Albertans who have been "unfairly treated by ottawa" for so long (might even throw in "ethnically American people of Alberta").

Wouldn't even need that much of a surge, really.

All the U.S. would have to do, should AB go ahead with a referendum (which is still a lot of steps away), would be to recognize the new Independent Republic of Alberta. The U.S. (like other countries) has a long history of being able to ... keep things in their favour with the new team ... without invading.

He needs to take on the Liberals rather than the Tories. Show why the NDP is best equipped to take Poilievre on than the Liberals.

Done right, Team Orange could develop some kind of narratives to take on both sides.

• "We got Team Red to do all sorts of things that they never would have agreed to otherwise - you NEED us on that wall!"
• "Lookit all those bad things Team Blue'll do if they get into power without a true left-of-the-field opposition - you NEED us on that wall!"

Will they? Is there enough time for this to even stick now?

 

[Remius]

Like "and the budget will balance itself" magic?

If you only take that one part of the quote, misrepresent it and forget the CPC advocated for that last election to their utter shock at actually understanding what was said. Then sure.

 

[FSTO]

The Line does a massive takedown of the western separatist movement. Starts at about the 50 minute mark.

The Line Podcast: Your clock's ticking, too, Poilievre.

Also: Carney knows what country he's PM of, right? Canada? Afraid of foreign butter? Plus: Albertxit, a weird election, bad candidates, and more!

www.readtheline.ca

Basically, today Alberta is third or fourth on the GAF level in Ottawa. If they somehow became a state (how’s that working for you Puerto Rico?) at best they’d be 30 or 40th on the GAF level in Washington DC.

I’m a die hard westerner (Manitoba) and I cannot stand the ongoing arrogance and fuckery of the Liberal Party of Canada but holy Christ we need to work within the current construct of Canada, not try to rip it apart.

 

[Rifleman62]

More than one Orange-leaning commentator has suggested “conscience of parliament” might be a more fitting & realistic goal than captain of the ship.

That is so funny given how Singh has run the NDP in the last few years.

 

[RangerRay]

"Lookit all those bad things Team Blue'll do if they get into power without a true left-of-the-field opposition - you NEED us on that wall!"

That’s been their strategy now and for decades. It hasn’t worked so well for them. They need to hammer the Liberals.

 

[Rifleman62]

From X: Steven_Tyler

I don't agree with liberal policies but their commitment to lying is second to none.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Don’t know the ratio of bullshit here, but even if it’s only 1/2 true, not a great look.

Poilievre Stop in Fish Plant Smells | Canadian Journalist

Conservative Party of Canada election campaign stop in a fishing village in Newfoundland turns into a spectacle of party animosity towards media coverage.

canadianjournalist.ca

Hearing other MSM reports of staffers closely following reporters wanting to talk to anyone other than the main event folks.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I've spent combined years of my life in Europe and I unequivocally do not want us to emulate them in any way.

Europe is a great place to visit but other than the Mediterranean weather I don't want any of it to be part of Canadiana.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I've spent combined years of my life in Europe and I unequivocally do not want us to emulate them in any way.

Europe is a great place to visit but other than the Mediterranean weather I don't want any of it to be part of Canadiana.

There are reasons why millions of them immigrated here over the years ....

 

[Fabius]

The Line does a massive takedown of the western separatist movement. Starts at about the 50 minute mark.

The Line Podcast: Your clock's ticking, too, Poilievre.

Also: Carney knows what country he's PM of, right? Canada? Afraid of foreign butter? Plus: Albertxit, a weird election, bad candidates, and more!

www.readtheline.ca

Basically, today Alberta is third or fourth on the GAF level in Ottawa. If they somehow became a state (how’s that working for you Puerto Rico?) at best they’d be 30 or 40th on the GAF level in Washington DC.

I’m a die hard westerner (Manitoba) and I cannot stand the ongoing arrogance and fuckery of the Liberal Party of Canada but holy Christ we need to work within the current construct of Canada, not try to rip it apart.

They also outline that although the support for western separation is low and disorganized in relation to it being a actual effective movement, the federal government of which ever flavour needs to understand and address the legitimate issues that the western provinces have with the Canadian federal government.
That needs to be done so as too not allow something marginal and ineffective to grow into something bigger either though organic means or with malicious outside influence.