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A Deeply Fractured US

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What is scary aspect is that Kennedy who wasn’t even at that debate provided a pretty good (and odd for him) mockumentary closing argument basing it like he was part of the Debate

Frankly other than he’s a raving lunatic, he probably came away looking the best, which doesn’t bode well for the country.
 
Associated Press (among others) have created a fact-check page for the claims from that debate:


I didn’t know that AP has a “fact check” page for various things that pop up in the news or social media.

 
"No troops have been killed under my presidency" was probably the most disgraceful thing he said.
 
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For readers unfamiliar with Senator Byrd,


Longest Serving Member of Congress Became a Champion for Civil Rights and Liberties

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Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation.

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For readers interested in what the NAACP has to say regarding former president Trump,


As long as the Clintons are still being dredged up, interesting to note former two-term President Bill Clinton is younger than Trump or Biden both vying for a second term.

@Lumber. Hardly. 45 was lucid and energetic. Biden has clearly aged out. When Biden is fumbling, for the people that say; "well both of them are..." ... could you get off the fence for once?
As one commenter put it: "This is Elder abuse"
 
From Kelly Craft, the former 🇺🇸 U.S. 🇺🇸 ambassador to Canada, in the Globe and Mail:

"Mr. Trump is indeed likely to return. U.S. President Joe Biden is the most unpopular president since the end of the Second World War. He recently hit a new low of 37.4 per cent approval in the FiveThirtyEight average of polls, while 86 per cent of Americans say he is too old for another term. He faces double-digit disapproval on every issue. So, as a friend of Canada, my message is simple: Buckle up and get ready for a second Trump presidency.

Mr. Trump’s return will be good for North America and the NATO alliance. Mr. Trump raised U.S. defence spending to near-historic highs. He made America an energy superpower again. He eliminated the Islamic State’s physical caliphate. He took out Iran’s terrorist mastermind Qassem Soleimani. He brokered not one but three Arab-Israeli peace accords. And he is the only president in the 21st century on whose watch Russia did not invade one of its neighbours.

But Mr. Trump is going to expect some things from our allies – particularly from our closest ally. Canada is the sixth-wealthiest country in the NATO alliance. Yet it is sixth from the bottom in terms of defence spending. At the 2014 NATO summit in Wales, Canada agreed that all allies must spend a minimum of 2 per cent of GDP on defence. Well, here we are a decade later and Canada is spending just 1.38 per cent of GDP on defence – behind Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia. The only NATO allies who spend less on defence are Slovenia, Turkey, Spain, Belgium and Luxembourg.
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But what President Trump is not going to do is allow the American people to carry the lion’s share of the burden while allies don’t pull their weight. Canada needs to step up and spend more on its own defence and provide more help to Ukraine.

It’s in Canada’s interests to do just that. The vast majority of the military aid money we provide for Ukraine does not actually go to Ukraine – it is being spent in the U.S. to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles, reinvigorating our defence industrial base and creating good-paying manufacturing jobs for American workers. The same should be true in Canada.
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I know this is a tough message. But it is delivered by a friend who loves this country. Canadian and U.S. forces have stood together from the beaches of Normandy to the mountains of Afghanistan. We are each other’s largest trading partner. And we share a common North American heritage. I believe that a second Trump term will strengthen NATO and usher in one of the greatest eras in U.S.-Canada relations – if Canada does its part."
 
I don't watch debates because IMO they are rigged. Slow pitch questions to the favorite debater and 100 mph fastballs and curves to the not favorite.
Add to that they never say anything. Their speech is anything but laconic, or ABC.
 
It’s in Canada’s interests to do just that. The vast majority of the military aid money we provide for Ukraine does not actually go to Ukraine – it is being spent in the U.S. to build new weapons or to replace weapons sent to Kyiv from U.S. stockpiles, reinvigorating our defence industrial base and creating good-paying manufacturing jobs for American workers. The same should be true in Canada.
Kelly Craft was a Trump appointee, is married to a billionaire coal-mining executive and generally a Trump shill so I don't take too much of what she says without a barrel of salt.

The above quote, however, is valid and gold. Canada should go to 2% and put much of that into a defence industry that produces the modern arms of war because a) They are needed and b) they contribute to the heavy industry of this country which desperately needed. There is zero reason why we can't have an industry that meets our own needs and that of other countries as well. This ridiculous concept that Canada should concentrate on the soft aspects of military assistance is naive in light of what is happening around the world.

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@Lumber. Hardly. 45 was lucid and energetic. Biden has clearly aged out. When Biden is fumbling, for the people that say; "well both of them are..." ... could you get off the fence for once?
I think, as a former President, if you shit on America, and you repeat hateful lies, and don't answer a single fucking question, and one of your lies was "I didn't have sex with a porn star," you LOSE the debate.

I'll admit, President Biden was not at his best, but he wasn't a lying machine.
 
I think, as a former President, if you shit on America, and you repeat hateful lies, and don't answer a single fucking question, and one of your lies was "I didn't have sex with a porn star," you LOSE the debate.
Should lose…

I'll admit, President Biden was not at his best, but he wasn't a lying machine.

I’ll be honest, at this point if a legitimate third party moderate came out, I’d vote for them.

Right now my vote is none of the above.

I don’t think the country can afford either of them for another 4 years.
 
I think, as a former President, if you shit on America, and you repeat hateful lies, and don't answer a single fucking question, and one of your lies was "I didn't have sex with a porn star," you LOSE the debate.

I'll admit, President Biden was not at his best, but he wasn't a lying machine.
His assertion that he didn’t have sex with Stormy Daniels is baffling. If that was true (or that he wanted to give the impression it was true), why didn’t he say that in the first place? And if so, then why would you have Michael Cohen pay her that amount?

To top it off, after he is convicted for the charges, then he asserts that he didn’t have sex with her?

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OK but if Biden were to step down as I think he should. Who is on the short list to replace him? Newsom? Whitmer? Harris?
 
OK but if Biden were to step down as I think he should. Who is on the short list to replace him? Newsom? Whitmer? Harris?
Newsome would whipe the floor with Trump in a debate. The only thing you can say against Newsome is to explain the crime and homelessness in LA/SF.
 
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