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NATO's potty rules shut out Afghans
JOE FRIESEN, Globe & Mail, 26 Mar 07
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KANDAHAR, AFGHANISTAN — Under a bizarre policy that echoes the days of segregation in the United States, Afghans who work at the NATO base at Kandahar Airfield must use separate toilets marked "local nationals only."

Several Afghans told The Globe and Mail the practice is insulting, but they are dependent on NATO for their livelihoods and reluctant to speak out.

Lieutenant-Colonel Jack Blevins, the U.S. officer in charge of administrative contracts, said the segregated toilet policy exists because the bathroom habits of the Afghans are different from those of the North Americans and Europeans who work at the base.

"We've always had this policy," Lt.-Col. Blevins said. "It's not based on a racial thing; it's just how they use the toilets. They're not used to toilets. They use squats, or holes in the ground."

One Afghan, who has worked at the base for five years as an interpreter, laughed at this suggestion.

He can't give his name because he works with the coalition and is afraid of being targeted by insurgents.

"I don't see any reason for separate bathrooms," he said. "Everybody is human, so it should be one [toilet]."

He said that foreign soldiers told him they wouldn't use the same toilets as Afghans because they are afraid of catching something contagious.

"Soldiers say they're scared of local people who might have disease," he said. "Personally, I [do] not like that, but this is the way of the army so you have to respect that."

The issue came to light when a Globe reporter tried to use the toilets near the main gate at Kandahar Airfield. The guard on duty directed the reporter to toilets 30 metres away, saying the ones directly in front of him were for the Afghans.

Lt.-Col. Blevins said he thinks of the policy as a cultural accommodation, and it makes life easier for the cleaners.

"When they [the Afghans] use our port-a-potties, they stand on the seats and it causes quite a mess," he said. "I think it's just a cultural thing."

The toilets reserved for Afghans typically have the words "local nationals" written on the door, and are a different colour than the ones reserved for non-Afghans. The toilets look the same on the inside, except the plastic seat is sometimes removed from the local national toilets. Afghans say there aren't enough toilets to accommodate them, and theirs aren't as well cleaned as the ones reserved for foreigners.

"It's not fair," said Qaseem, an Afghan interpreter who works at the base.

He said some foreigners will use the local bathrooms when the lines are long and it suits them, but local Afghans can't use the bathrooms reserved for the foreigners.

"Some of the army guys, they use the local bathroom, so we should be able to use their bathrooms, too."

As he speaks, his uncle comes over to say that the separate bathrooms are very nice, and that he's grateful to NATO for coming to Afghanistan and he hopes they will stay a long time.

Other Afghans who stand in line waiting to be searched as they leave the NATO base said they can accept having to use separate bathrooms and don't see it as a significant hardship.

A few Afghan employees have the privilege of being able to use either set of toilets because they have worked with the coalition long enough to be considered trusted agents.

Qaseem said the problem comes down to the way Afghans use water to clean themselves before praying. The foreigners don't like it, he said.

Lt.-Col. Blevins said there can be problems if water bottles, used by the Afghans in their ablutions, have to be fished out of the toilets. Although Afghans are strongly encouraged to use the toilets marked "local nationals only," they wouldn't be prevented from using another bathroom in an emergency, he said.

There are also security issues to be considered, he said. Some foreign-only bathrooms are close to the soldiers' sleeping quarters, which need to be protected.

More than 1,200 local people come through the gates of Kandahar Airfield most days, according to the Canadian guards who operate the main entrance.

They work in a variety of jobs, from manual labour to translation. They are the Afghans who, in a conflict increasingly characterized as a battle for hearts and minds, have the most direct contact with coalition forces.

Relations between the workers and military personnel range from collegial friendships to wariness and suspicion. Translators, partly because they speak English, can become quite close to some officers, while labourers required to have a permanent military escort are not treated with the same consideration.

They are hired under an Afghans-first policy, which seeks to employee as many local people as possible to ensure they see the economic benefits of the foreign presence.

 
...and this is news, how? takes "crappy" journalism to a whole new level! ;D At least they're discussing this and not something more serious. Hopefully these slow news days keep up.
 
Slow News day indeed ! Can,t wait for the inevitable NDP cry of outrage over this deep seated example of Western Racism. Given Mr. Dion,s poor command of the English language, I do hope he didn,t confuse Porta-Potty with "pot party in Afghan toilets.
 
 
For the love of... ::) Who writes this crap  ;D? Indeed, must have been a slow news day for this reporter. makes me wonder how often he gets out from under the wire.
 
Out of the wire, or out from under the wire? There is a difference in terms. Not that that makes any difference in this story.

Perhaps to a left leaning, uninitiated (I hesitate to use the word ignorant) non military person, such a situation as this does seem somewhat "racist". Perhaps he did not actually look into a few of those portapotties. Perhaps we should let him live in the same quarters and share food and facilities with the LEPs so that he could get an accurate feeling as to the level of segregation they are subjected to.

Perhaps after a week, he will not feel quite the same way.
 
Out of the wire, or out from under the wire?....oops, my mistake. Tomatoe; tomato  ;D ....I think I made my point.
 
Benign as this article might appear.
"so what" comes to mind BUT....

This is IMHO, the media's next salvo against the CF involvment in Afghanistan.
While quoting an American, the writer has woven us into the story and points to racial tendancies .... which we condone!.... Can't have any of that!.. bring our boys home!

Slow day inded!

The media is working on the hearts and mind of the Cdn public!
 
I'd give the person who wrote that story $200 if they used one of the "afghan" porta poties and could look me in the eye and say there isn't a requirement to segrigate them.
 
Afstan: Hot poop from the Globe and Mail
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/03/afstan-hot-poop-from-globe-and-mail.html

'Definitely a front page story--
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070326.TOILET24/TPStory/Front

Canada's "national newspaper" breaks new wind in its relentless zeal to expose Canadian complicity in human rights violations (this time by the American imperialists) in Afghanistan:

Under a bizarre policy that echoes the days of segregation in the United States, Afghans who work at the NATO base at Kandahar Airfield must use separate toilets marked "local nationals only."

Several Afghans told The Globe and Mail the practice is insulting, but they are dependent on NATO for their livelihoods and reluctant to speak out.

Lieutenant-Colonel Jack Blevins, the U.S. officer in charge of administrative contracts, said the segregated toilet policy exists because the bathroom habits of the Afghans are different from those of the North Americans and Europeans who work at the base.

"We've always had this policy," Lt.-Col. Blevins said. "It's not based on a racial thing; it's just how they use the toilets. They're not used to toilets. They use squats, or holes in the ground."..

"When they [the Afghans] use our port-a-potties, they stand on the seats and it causes quite a mess," he said. "I think it's just a cultural thing."..

And maybe the Americans are just trying to protect NATO and other personnel against suicide bummers.'

Mark
Ottawa
 
Anyone else remember the "Bathroom Ettiquite" posters we had in Bosnia?  I wonder what the G&M would have said about the depictions of non-canadians using the toilet brush as a toothbrush would have been.
 
Flawed Design said:
I'd give the person who wrote that story $200 if they used one of the "afghan" porta poties and could look me in the eye and say there isn't a requirement to segrigate them.


HAHAHA :) Sorry but I was thinking the same thing. I find it quite funny that people think now a days we would do things "just because we feel like it". It is obviously not a secret what is going on.  The media is so interwoven (through our own decisions as well) That there is no way we ever make "rookie" mistakes like the one the author is trying to insinuate.

The whole thing is honestly humorous
 
Reccesoldier said:
Anyone else remember the "Bathroom Ettiquite" posters we had in Bosnia?  I wonder what the G&M would have said about the depictions of non-canadians using the toilet brush as a toothbrush would have been.

Yes.  I do believe it was Recceguy who drew up the first "Stickman poster".  We even went so far as to put locks on some of the 'Blue Rockets' to keep some of them sanitary for our own use.
 
Makes sense, they don't use them the same way we do.  They stand/squat on them, we sit on them.  Anyone work on the bases in 1999 when the Kosovar refugees were there?  If you did you'll understand what I'm getting at.
 
Why doesn't it mention that for sanitation reasons some bathrooms are marked "for kitchen staff only" and others are marked "for hospital patients only".


Atleast their not upset that we make blacks drink from different water fountians or sit at the back of the LAVs.
GREAT story JOE FRIESEN!
 
Kandahar, Spring 2002, on the OPs, we used a small drum cut in half with a wooden cover.  There was a double layer of sandbags about three feet high around it.  You could sit there in the sun, read the National Post, have a nice 3,000 meter view and not worry about much except the Surv Op filming you on thermal.

Now and then we would drag the drum to the wire, pour in some JP8, give it a naptha kicker and have a bonfire.  I have a photo of an Engineer Sgt toasting a marshmellow over it.  Says he didn't eat it, but you know those Engineers!

;D

Not letting the locals use our porta-potties smacks of a certain 'second floor' mentality.  Plain sillyness.  Wanna bet it was the civvy logistics contractors who first complained and started the segregation in the first place?

  Like they care if the CF has to wear it.

But, I am all for porta-potties tagged "For Journalists Only!"
 
That was Bosnia.  In Afghanistan, the people are more civilized and have a better understanding of hygiene.

Seriously.
 
On my sq there were toliets marked, "Staff only" and "females only"
When will they do an article on this offensive segeratrion?
 
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