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Armoured Soldier Questions

I have a question regarding armoured soldier training: Do you select what vehicle type you operate? If not who does? I ask this because i'm interested in operating a tank rather than a wheeled vehicle.
 
You as a DP1 don't have the option on choosing what you will be taught for your first PCF.

The standard DP1 candidate, unless things have changed in the past month, will get qualified Coyote driver with the possibility of getting qualified Surv Op as well.

There are slots open for tank driver and are allocated for what the 3 Regiments require and are allocated as such.

When it boils right down to it, it's being at the right place at the right time and depends on what Regiment you are getting posted to.

Good luck.

Regards
 
Recce By Death said:
You as a DP1 don't have the option on choosing what you will be taught for your first PCF.

The standard DP1 candidate, unless things have changed in the past month, will get qualified Coyote driver with the possibility of getting qualified Surv Op as well.

There are slots open for tank driver and are allocated for what the 3 Regiments require and are allocated as such.

When it boils right down to it, it's being at the right place at the right time and depends on what Regiment you are getting posted to.

Good luck.

Regards

To add.
You will get somewhat of a choice as to which unit you go to.If you don't really have a reason you may go anywhere.Basically I have seen people get sent to Edmonton by their name getting picked out of a beret.Its that simple.
On your course you will get coyote dvr coyote surv op and taught by civilians how to drive the GWagon.all three are taught on the new DP1.
AFTER DP1 and your a card carrying member of a armd regiment you will most likely be hanging around gagetown for IIRC 90 days.(Unless married etc you may get posted right to your unit)During this time you will be taught leopard D&M and some have got T-Lav as well.

You will be employed in one of the main PCF's at a armd unit when you arrive at your home regiment.


Hope it helps
 
I know a guy who is on his DP1 course right now and he says once they get qualified on a wheeled vehicle they are going to get trained on the TLAV and Leopard.


*Edited for clarity/spelling/grammar
 
I will guarantee his whole course isn't.
with 3 possibly 4 running tanks,maintenance issues and drivers on the course barely getting 4 hrs total driving there.
Some people who stick around for the Leo course AFTER DP1 MAY get T-Lav as well.


 
XM & Skeletor are saying pert much the same thing ..... aren't you?

Skeletor says:
a guy doing his DP1 right now; his whole course is getting trained on whatever wheeled vehicle (other?) than TLAV an Leopard.

X-MO says:
AFTER DP1 and your a card carrying member of a armd regiment you will most likely be hanging around gagetown for IIRC 90 days.(Unless married etc you may get posted right to your unit)During this time you will be taught leopard D&M and some have got T-Lav as well.
 
I think he was trying to say:

-Skeletor- said:
I know a guy doing his DP1 right now; his whole course is getting trained on whatever wheeled vehicle than(then??) TLAV an(and??) Leopard.

I dunno...its like reading Michel de Nostredame.Depending on how you read it and how it was printed... ;D

What I say is correct as of 30 days ago.
 
Well.  :-\  Looking at his profile.  He could be guessing or working off the rumour net.
 
Agreed.
On DP1: coyote dvr
            coyote surv op
            g-wagon

after DP1 one of two things happen.You get posted to your unit and employed in one of those PCF's or how your unit See's fit.
OR..
You remain in Gagetown to support a multitude of courses as coyote drivers.If your unit requires Leopard drivers you will be course loaded as needed while in gagetown.You may also luck into getting T-lav as well,depending on the need/availability/needs of your unit and school.Then for the remainder of your time there you will drive up and down lawfield improving your driving skills,learning your trade.

Hope that helps!
 
Don't you mean:   

DP1:  Coyote Driver OR Coyote Surv Op
         G-Wagen

I don't remember many arriving at the Reg't "Dual Qualified".



 
I'm just going by what a buddy told me; I figured he knew what was going on since he's out there. But I'm guessing since its sounding weird too the guys in the know that this info is right out of 'er. He's under the impression that he's going to be doing Leopard and TLAV sometime during his course and that no one is doing Coyote.



*edited for the "d's"
 
Are there supposed to be some "d's" behind those "an's", or do we need to implement a "Universal Translator" here?  No wonder people can't figure out what you are saying.
 
George Wallace said:
Don't you mean:   

DP1:  Coyote Driver OR Coyote Surv Op
         G-Wagen

I don't remember many arriving at the Reg't "Dual Qualified".

actually its both now for DP1. As for the leopards,TLAV courses when your 'posted' to the 'K' lines they might offer you a course on what ever vehicle.
 
George Wallace said:
Don't you mean:   

DP1:  Coyote Driver OR Coyote Surv Op
         G-Wagen

I don't remember many arriving at the Reg't "Dual Qualified".

X-fire beat me to it.
However yes.
We developed a new DP1 course to make the recce crewman more useful when they arrived.Now (since early 07...Feb IIRC)they learn two PCF's plus if they stick around the K lines/the regiment calls for a certain amount they will get the other stuff like Leo and t-lav at the k lines.

The new DP 1 covers patrolling now as well.Troopers are much better prepared to be recce crewman than the "glorified dvr wheel course"that was the old DP1.Basically some troopers are arriving now with upto 4 PCF's fro mGagetown.Quite a difference when I arrived with MLVW ;D.

There seems to be a lot of confusion on it,I'll sit downsoon and post a detailed message in reference to the new course.Maybe later tonight.
 
About time.  That sounds very good for the young Troopers and the Regiments in the end.
 
It is very good.I'm very glad to see that troopers are showing up knowing how to set up the surv gear,as its a crew task.
Im estatic to see the recce patrols back as well.I had a lot of fun teaching it to the troops.However I never did get to do it during their two exercises as I was always in ther mounted side of the house. :crybaby:
 
X-mo-1979 said:
X-fire beat me to it.
However yes.
We developed a new DP1 course to make the recce crewman more useful when they arrived.Now (since early 07...Feb IIRC)they learn two PCF's plus if they stick around the K lines/the regiment calls for a certain amount they will get the other stuff like Leo and t-lav at the k lines.

The new DP 1 covers patrolling now as well.Troopers are much better prepared to be recce crewman than the "glorified dvr wheel course"that was the old DP1.Basically some troopers are arriving now with upto 4 PCF's fro mGagetown.Quite a difference when I arrived with MLVW ;D.

There seems to be a lot of confusion on it,I'll sit downsoon and post a detailed message in reference to the new course.Maybe later tonight.

i was actually on the first course that all this started on, first we did G-wagon training, durin the actual driving portion half of the course would drive the other half would learn weapons classes. after G wagon we went out in the bush for 2 days doing dismounted patroling/pyro demo's, after that we started coyote driving and again while half was driving other half was learning differnt weapons, the odd time we stayed late to learn other weapons due to PO checks. After was Surv Op which took up all day. the field Ex was a week long with 3 days of dismounted patroling/ camp security  and another 3 days of mounted with the coyotes. courses have changed when they teach the differnt PO's
 
Armoured NCM

This is written to ease the mass confusion that is either started from past graduates and over excited candidates telling amazing stories about their DP1 to friends.

Where Will I Do My Training?

Your course will be based out of the building J-7.Which is a large officer building type building.The Building is where you will take your classes in large lecture halls,which will look a lot similar to your average highschool classroom.It is also equipped with vehicle bay's which have small classrooms attached as well.

Field deployments (two during your course) will be in the training area.Bivouac sites change frequently.

Other classes will be taught outside where practical/necessary.

When Will I Get On My DP1?
You will be placed in Holding Troop at J-7 unless course loaded immediately.
You will begin your course as soon as there is a position for you.Courses usually overlap therefore there are always two courses in house with a course load of up to 55 candidates on day 1.
Time on holding platoon will depend on course availability and your personal health.

What Is Holding Platoon?

Holding platoon is a armoured term for PAT Platoon.Usually ran by a Wo Sgt Mcpl and Cpl.Where you live while on Holding Platoon depends on availability of barracks at that time.You will do jobs that a unqualified armoured recce crewman is qualified to do.Which will depend on the snow clearing/cleaning/parade set up and other tasks that will be quite trite by the end of your stay.You will parade every morning and and usually in the afternoon as well.Inspections are lacking,however staff will check for general tidiness when you are at work.If problems arise bed side inspections happen.However in the evenings you are usually free to do as you please.You may be tasked to be enemy force,general duty guy,for courses running at that time.PT will be done most mornings.

OK So I'm Off Holding Platoon Now What?

Most likely you  really messed up and are onward to a amazing career as a McDonald's employee living in mom's basement listening to your Mr.Big cassette and crying yourself to sleep.J/K
Now if your like the majority you are going to be doing indoc into your course.Usually the first day to two days is Indoc.

So What is Indoc?

A kick in your behind basically.You have become lazy since your arrival from basic.Being able to go to do as you please at night has brought back some civilian characteristics (attitude etc).This is where you open your eyes and realise Oh god I'm back on course.You also Get introduced to the course staff and they each address the group as to what is expected,course outline,and one guy usually comes in and tells you "your goals are obtainable,and once you graduate you will be part of the family..."Then you get marched down to get all your books required as well as paper,pencils,and other PPE that is required.You will be marched into your new rooms,and fill out all the pers info sheets again.Your personal story will be required so they can put your sad sad life story in your pers file.

OK well I'm all marched in!

Good for you.Realise at this point you cannot Occupational transfer out for another 3 years.You can release at any point.You will return back to Holding troop once you release.

OK so what are morning inspections like?

Anal.
After PT in the morning you will all try to fit into the shower stalls and get ready for inspection.Usually you have about 15 minutes to do this some times less.The floors are waxed.Bigger locker layout than you are use to during basic.My boy willy will be playing during the inspection on speakers in the hallway.Cued by the course senior.

OK Morning PT And Inspection Is Done What Now?

After picking up your bed inspection kit (and depending how well you did, your locker kit/your broken heart),you will grab your kit for that day and move with a sense of urgency outside to form up.The course senior will be herding you downstairs with a paniced look on his face,or the good marching NCO will be instructing you on how late you are,ensuring everybody hears what he is saying.Red chits to follow,depending.

Breakfast.

Marching NCO will tell the timing to Course senior.Depending on how you did forming up will determine your speed at which food will slide into the stomach.

OK I'm all filled up on Bacon and eggs,where now?

Marched to classes usually in J-7.

What Will I Learn On My DP1?

-History of the three regular force units.
-Comm's TCCCS taught by Sig's.
-AFV Level 1 and 2 (many many failures)
-section attacks,recce patrols
-fieldcraft

Next you will move into the G-wagon driving portion.This portion is taught by ex-military members of the civilian company VALCOM.During the driving portion of this part whoever is not driving will be getting instructed on weapons such as the M-72,Carl Gustav,C-6, C-9, grenade launcher,grenades and claymores.Expect class's after supper.To include night driving.In most cases the morning after night driving is a late wake up,and no PT.

Next there is a small confirmation exercise that will see if you retained the information IAW recce patrols and section attacks.It is a 2 day EX.Living in hooch's or Arctic tents depending on the season.Don't expect too much sleep.
Next you move into the Coyote phase.You start with Coyote surveillance operator.Without getting into exact detail you will learn how to set up operate and stow the Coyote Surv gear.Much classroom work and a lot of hand on during this phase.Taught by DP1 Instructors.During your testing they usually finish up what weapons that have not been taught.Testing on the surv equipment takes around 30min-1h depending on the student.

Now Coyote driver.Learn to drive the coyote over obstacles,through obstacles,and become a confident competent driver.Night driving is also on this portion,as well as highway/city driving.You will also learn how to maintain the vehicle prior to driving.Tests daily.
Here you are broken down into crews and you will drive for the instructor who has taught you the maintenance.You will receive driving reports every time you stop for the day.It will list what you need to improve on.If you cannot grasp driving expect to be recoursed.
And finally the final ex Op Liri Valley.7 day

Half of the course will be sent to the dismounted side.This side is taught by PLQ and sometimes ARCC qualified Cpl's.
For the next 3 days you will be doing dismounted Op's,recce patrols and section attacks.When you are back in base camp you will man the trenches and the gate.

For the mounted guys you will be part of a vehicle crew.You and two other course members will be Dvr,Surv Op,And acting gunner with a ARCC qualified Cl,or Mcpl.You will do Route area point and zone recce driving.You will switch up driving during the day.You will learn bridge drills and other tactics while on this portion.As a Surv Op expect to be dismounting quite a bit with a radio on you back.As the gunner your not assessed in this position.It is a good place to ask questions and pick up on the errors of your peers.You are still being assessed everytime you stop.
You will occupy a mounted OP.Team work is critical.You will learn how a OP runs and use your previously taught skills as a surv op.

After day 3 a maintenance morning happens.

After that the group switches from mounted to dismounted.
Don't expect a break in either.

Wow That's Quite A Bit...I'm Done Now right?


Cleaning cleaning cleaning. Kit turn in etc.Inspections are still going to happen,course still goes on.
When your marching to go pee,your going with your "crew".One needs to go outside and smoke,all the crew better be out there with him.Armoured crewman cannot be individuals by nature of their trade,teamwork is taught here.

Grad parade.

Yes!This means I'm done! Where Am I going?

Some of you will go right to the regiment to be employed as recce crewman.Others will stay around for 90 days at the armoured school to support courses as drivers.Also others that require tank driver courses will obtain this.They usually then drive on the tank commander courses until posted to their units.
Your unit will be decided on what you request during INDOC on your forms (see above for INDOC) and the needs of the Armoured Corp.

OK Great!I Understand The Course!But Where Do Most People Fail?

Medical.Usually due to PT injury.This is where Physical Phatness/Fitness will play a role in your career.

So Here in a nut shell is your DP1.As I said previously it is an improved system than the one before.It is making better Troops.
I hope this is a help for some people becoming armoured.All of the above is correct however small scheduling things may change.As I said the DP1 is a work in progress.

Now no more stupid questions. ;D ;D







 
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