C7 rifles within cadets

[sgt_mandal]

Well the only difference would be that it continues to fire, so kick back is constant.   Other then that what would be different about handling it?

*sigh* even I could think about a million reasons for that, 5 rounds would be more than enough. Better than loading each round in teh barrel. Can you do that with a C7?

 

[Scott]

Can you elaborate a bit Mandal?

 

[sgt_mandal]

Instead of having to use a magazine, could you load each round one by one? IE, load one round, fire, then load again and fire etc... can you do that with a C7 or does it have to be loaded through a magazine?

 

[Inch]

I think it'd be pretty difficult to do that, the ejection port isn't all that big let alone sticking your fingers in there. I've never seen it done.

 

[Scott]

Also, I wouldn't want to be cramming a finger in there just in case the bolt came forward, that might sting a bit. There is a saying about putting fingers in places......... Rated 'R' though.

 

[sgt_mandal]

I see, thanks

 

[condor888000]

Too bad, I hardly trust cadets with an air rifle, heck I hardly trust some cadets with a  butter knife, let alone a C7 with 5 rounds in the magazine...

 

[Inch]

Too bad, I hardly trust cadets with an air rifle, heck I hardly trust some cadets with a   butter knife, let alone a C7 with 5 rounds in the magazine...

Well the C7 is an assault rifle, I don't think they had anything in mind except how efficiently a soldier could fire it in the field. Loading a round at a time is useless in the field, so why incorporate it into the design?

Piper, "Official reason"? Have you got a reference for that? I don't think the legality of the mag capacity is even an after thought when you're talking about a fully automatic assault rifle in the hands of a teenager. The C7 is a prohibited weapon and according to the law can only be handled by cadets under direct supervision by CF members not including CICs.

 

[condor888000]

True Inch, I guess that it makes a lot more sense...comment still stands about how far I trust my cadets though...one shot a lead pellet into an electric socket because he was curious...idiot...

 

[Inch]

Wow, still,  it wasn't all that different when I was in army cadets. The idiots seem to come out of the woodwork when firearms are involved. I'm not even going to get into some of the stuff I've seen, it might give some ideas to any lurking idiots that may be here.

 

[chrisf]

Remember now, a magazine with a capacity of more than 5 rounds is prohibited under the Firearms Act, and that is the reason why cadets do not use them. It is pefectly legal for a civilian to fire a C7 (well, maybye not, seeing as it can go auto, someone wish to elaborate?) and you can buy a semi-aunto AR-15 (yes, even in Canada...unless they changed it as of late) if you have the right permit. The official reason why cadets don't use the high capacity mags is simply a legal reason.

There's no law against them using high capacity magazines, just as there is no law against using prohibited weapons. The law bans ownership and transport, not use (Which, for all intents and purposes, is a ban on use, as if you can't own or transport it, how would you use it? But it's not a specific ban on use.)

The exception for cadets is not an exception at all, everything they do with regards to the C7 falls within the confines of the firearms laws as they apply to any other civillian. The weapons are owned by the department of national defence, and transported by DND personnel in DND vehicles.

The reason you don't get more then 5 rounds in a magazine could be a written cadet policy, or more likely, it's just a common sense safety thing, but it has nothing to do with law.

On the *range* you never load more then the amount of ammunition you need. It's dangerous. Handing a cadet a weapon capable of auto-fire, with a full magazine, would be just as dangerous. It's hard enough for troops, adults who are physically developed, experienced with automatic weapons, to keep them steady while firing. If a cadet was to be foolish enough to flip the selector to auto, just to "check it out", despite being given dire warnings against it, the consqeunces could potentially be deadly.

And besides, shooting full auto does nothing to improve your marksmanship skills. It would be like using a fire hose to water your garden. Does not help at all. And thats why you shoot in cadets, to become a proficient shot.

Yeah, but I can assure you while it's counter-productive, watering a garden with a garden hose would be plenty of fun.

 

[gorf]

Quote:I don't think the legality of the mag capacity is even an after thought when you're talking about a fully automatic assault rifle in the hands of a teenager.

I'm going to basic training in January, and I'm only 16. You have to remeber that is that a lot of tennagers are stupid, but not all teeneagers are stupid. A lot of US special forces are only in thier teens (I'm not sure about Canada).

I think that there should be an age restriction on cadets for using the C7, ie. I don't think anyone wants a 13 year old who has just watched Saving Private Ryan or Black Hawk Down with a full auto rifle. 

 

[Scott]

You're only 16, sure, but you will go through extensive and well supervised training on the weapons that you use. You will also have to pass PO checks before you get near the range and live ammunition.

 

[gorf]

True 

 

[AZA-02]

Teenage special ops, Buahhh there called spy kids 1 and 2 and 3d.

 

[chrisf]

Finally, my garden hose example, well, its fun and all, but what you use depends on what you want to get out of it.

As soon as I find an unattended fire hose near an unattended lawn, I'll get back to you on this one.

 

[gorf]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that some of rangers in Somolia were around 19 years of age.

 

[primer]

CATO's say 25 rds at the unit and if your only getting it in 5 rds mags I cant say but it may be that you shoot in 5 rds groups?
most times its up to the RSO as to how many rds in the mag and what type of shooting is to be done.

Yes that is true for an RSO to how many rounds loaded in the Regs/P Res. But in the cadet world it is only a 5 round mag no more even if its a Reg/PRes or CIC RSO. Trust me I know 

 

[primer]

I was on the First CIC C-7 RSO course for cadets back in 99. We had the same question brought up about the 5 round mag. It was said that if a cadet dos put the weapon on full it will only spit out 5 rounds and can be brought under control much faster that a 30 that was said by the ACA from PAC REG...

 

[aesop081]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that some of rangers in Somolia were around 19 years of age.

Rangers are not part of the US spec ops command therefore not special forces.