CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Eggs and dairy are a constant friction point due to supply management; not much crosses the border in either direction.

Exactly. And there is a good reason: Just about every first world country grossly overproduces those, including Canada and the US, with the attendant race to the bottom that ruins farmers. The point of supply management of those in Canada is to actually restrict the amount on the market to a price point where supply and demand meet while the farmers can earn a reasonable (not a great, not a fantastic, not a rich) living for the long hours of labour they have to put into production.

 

[Baz]

I hate to ask this, but… should the P-8 and F-35 contracts be put on hold?

I actually think they are the best aircraft for the CF, but are they the best choice for Canada?

Exactly how secure is our ability to access things like AEGIS at this time?


On a more personal note, is looking at where something is made “patriotic” or “reactionary?”


Edited to add: Cancel Amazon Prime? Netflix? AppleTV? Why do I have all of those anyway?

Shop at Kent instead of Home Depot?

But the economies are so integrated would any of that make a difference anyway? Those integrated economies are why this will hurt the US as well… U would hate to be in the auto industry right now.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Self-inflicted wounds...

Trump slaps tariffs on Canada, Mexico, China, risking higher prices for U.S. consumers​

The new levies on America’s top trade partners could drive prices higher for cars, electronics, lumber and more, threatening to crimp an economy that the president has vowed to improve.


"This is a beautiful, beautiful example of promises made, promises kept by President Trump," said the senior administration official.

But economists have found the tariffs Trump imposed on China during his first term did little to accomplish those goals. Instead, they drove up prices for many imports, led to a net loss of manufacturing jobs and reduced corporate investments. Nearly all the revenue collected from Trump’s previous tariffs on China went to payments he sent to American farmers to offset their losses from tariffs China imposed in response. The levies also didn’t generate significant concessions from Beijing, which has failed to meet many of its commitments under a trade deal negotiated during Trump’s first term.

The United Steelworkers International, which has pushed for trade reforms to protect U.S. steel workers, warned that the sweeping tariffs could have a negative impact on workers.

"These tariffs don’t just hurt Canada. They threaten the stability of industries on both sides of the border," said David McCall, president of the United Steelworkers International.

Trump slaps tariffs on Canada, Mexico, China, risking higher prices for U.S. consumers

The new levies on America’s top trade partners could drive prices higher for cars, electronics, lumber and more, threatening to crimp an economy that the president has vowed to improve.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[The Bread Guy]

$800B worth of trade with the US last year, and a 25% tax on virtually everything now. This should be interesting to watch as 'the budget takes care of itself'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-tariffs-canada-february-1-1.7447829

But it won't be inflationary in the U.S. some say - we'll see.

Nothing on the whitehouse.gov superego of POTUS47 as of this post, or in the Federal Register, but his id is sharing this as of about 40 minutes before this post ...

... with an even harder beating to come if anyone dares to respond ...

On the pharmaceutical front, wonder if all those Americans coming to Canada to have their prescriptions filled with cheaper (because of bulk buying) drugs will continue to be able to do so once their prices go up? We'll see ...

Nothing yet from PMJT, but this from this afternoon about "bold, transformative actions to eliminate regulatory barriers to internal trade, encourage free movement of labour and further standardize regulations across Canada" (allegedly, anyway):

Committee on Internal Trade discusses bold actions to enhance Canada’s internal market - Canada.ca

Yesterday, at the Committee on Internal Trade (CIT) meeting, the Honourable Anita Anand, Minister of Transport and Internal Trade, and her provincial and territorial counterparts discussed bold, transformative actions to eliminate regulatory barriers to internal trade, encourage free movement of...

www.canada.ca

Bit of MSM ...

Trump initiates trade war, signing order hitting Canada with massive tariffs; Trudeau to retaliate

U.S. President Donald Trump made good on his threat to hit Canada with massive tariffs, signing an executive order imposing them Saturday.

www.ctvnews.ca

Trump tariffs: which countries are affected and what does this mean?

Imports from Mexico and Canada will be taxed at 25% and China 10% – but US consumers are likely to pay the price

www.theguardian.com

Trump signs executive order imposing 25 per cent tariffs on Canada starting Tuesday

Canadian energy to face 10 per cent tariff; orders reportedly include retaliation clause if Canada responds in kind

financialpost.com

Trump imposes tariffs on Mexico, Canada, China linked to fentanyl crisis - UPI.com

The Trump administration is following through on its promise to impose 25% tariffs on goods imported from Mexico and Canada and raise tariffs on Chinese goods on Saturday.

www.upi.com

 

[NearingZenith]

I hate to ask this, but… should the P-8 and F-35 contracts be put on hold?

I actually think they are the best aircraft for the CF, but are they the best choice for Canada?

Exactly how secure is our ability to access things like AEGIS at this time?


On a more personal note, is looking at where something is made “patriotic” or “reactionary?”

The P-8 order might actually be a small leverage point. Doesn’t the P-8 production line shut down without our order? That might get Boeing talking in Trump’s ear.

If I’m not mistaken, FELEX/HCM minimized use of US equipment to avoid the complexity of ITAR and working with the US. Unfortunately it seems the CSC project has gone the other direction and been increasing US content over time.

 

[GR66]

The P-8 order might actually be a small leverage point. Doesn’t the P-8 production line shut down without our order? That might get Boeing talking in Trump’s ear.

Oh no....Bombardier be like

 

[Remius]

Tim Houston reveals some of NS actions on tariffs

Nova Scotia reveals plan to react to US tariffs

On Saturday, Tim Houston reacted to the news that 25% tariffs would be imposed on Canadian exports to the US on Tuesday.

halifax.citynews.ca

 

[IKnowNothing]

Oh no....Bombardier be like

Nah..

Kawasaki P-1 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[NearingZenith]

Oh no....Bombardier be like

If we also announce we’re going to disqualify the E-7 from our AEW project and going to sole source the GlobalEye, Bombardier might have to publicly thank Trump.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If, IF, we finally get an influx of cash, to up our NATO contribution, I hope we spend it wisely. I hope we buy ammo to add to our three days worth. I want the equipment trudeau gave away to Ukraine. And so many other really needed things.

What I don't want are a gazillion dollars worth and however many corresponding days on making the military a DEI experiment. No more sensitivity stuff.

Just good solid military work shit. Stuff to unalive people.

One can dream, I suppose.

 

[Kirkhill]

I used to work for a boss who got his position as VP because he excelled in his previous position as head of sales.

He had one customer. His job consisted of answering the phone once a week and taking the order. He then relayed the information to production.

I'm not sure why this came to mind while discussing Canadian trade.

 

[Remius]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

 

[JLB50]

I hate to ask this, but… should the P-8 and F-35 contracts be put on hold?

I actually think they are the best aircraft for the CF, but are they the best choice for Canada?

Exactly how secure is our ability to access things like AEGIS at this time?


On a more personal note, is looking at where something is made “patriotic” or “reactionary?”


Edited to add: Cancel Amazon Prime? Netflix? AppleTV? Why do I have all of those anyway?

Shop at Kent instead of Home Depot?

But the economies are so integrated would any of that make a difference anyway? Those integrated economies are why this will hurt the US as well… U would hate to be in the auto industry right now.

I was wondering about that as well. For example, does our F-35 contract require that we purchase all 88 fighters? Supposedly, we need them for NORAD interoperability. But all 88? Could we get by with, say, 30 and then cancel any further orders in favour of one of the other European contenders. Definitely, we should make it known that the U.S. will not be a preferred supplier for ships, planes, tanks, etc. I’m sure that the Brits, French, Germans, Japanese and South Koreans have something more than suitable for our needs.

 

[NearingZenith]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

Don’t know if those reporters are reading our forum but a reporter did ask him whether Canada should be canceling or delaying our multi billion dollar plane, ship and other defence contracts with US companies. Of course Premier Eby couldn’t say but it does mean the idea is circulating publicly in the mainstream media and might get traction for better or worse.

 

[Remius]

Don’t know if those reporters are reading our forum but a reporter did ask him whether Canada should be canceling or delaying our plane, ship and other defence contracts with US companies. Of course Eby couldn’t say but it does mean the idea is circulating publicly in the mainstream media and might get traction for better or worse.

Watched that. Not sure that would be on the table.

But Eby’s comments that this will irreparably damage the relationship and that B.C. and Canada should position themselves to never let themselves be beholden to the US again was on point.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

David Eby announcing the end of alcohol trade from red states.

And 6 billion dollars to develop energy in the province. Mining and NG.

Ford had the liquor thing as a platform from the start also. Prolly hear something tomorrow or Monday.

I think Ford also said Ontario is the biggest purchaser of US liquor in the world.

 

[Kirkhill]

Super Natural Green mining in BC.

Whodathunkit?

 

[Remius]

Ford had the liquor thing as a platform from the start also. Prolly hear something tomorrow or Monday.

I think Ford also said Ontario is the biggest purchaser of US liquor in the world.

LCBO is one of the bigger ones yes. From a liquor industry perspective that is a big deal. Not sure how it impacts overall though.

 

[Fabius]

But Eby’s comments that this will irreparably damage the relationship and that B.C. and Canada should position themselves to never let themselves be beholden to the US again was on point.

The second part of that has been said before and will be said again.
I doubt this time will be any different than previous times.
Positioning ourselves otherwise will require significant investment and policy and regulatory efforts that only a serious and focused country could undertake over the timeframe required. I don’t see Canada being such a country.

In terms of defence procurement, this is but a bump in the road, the US, even a more isolationist US, with a renewed Monroe doctrine, will still be our primary defence partner. Geography and relative size means that’s an immutable fact, one that will outlast 4 years of Trump etc.

That said I expect we will likely rush to cut off our nose to spite our face on a number of fronts. We will likely see a renewed liberal wave of anti Americanism in many facets.

 

[brihard]

PM Trudeau’s about to give his speech. CPAC’s got it. Was supposed to start at 9 but he’s not out yet.