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He just quoted JFK. Nice.
CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)
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Editing to add as I go:
The speech started out addressed directly to Americans. Heavy emphasis on our shared history in wars and natural disasters and our close economic ties.
25% tariffs on $30b on Tuesday, extended to a total $155b in 21 days.
Talking about a united and aligned response by ‘team Canada’ at federal and provincial levels.
He’s been in contact with the president of Mexico.
Asking for solidarity from Canadians. Many of us will be impacted and will face difficult moments- family, neighbours, fellow Canadians. This crosses over differences among Canadians.
Time to choose Canada. Check labels of products and buy Canadian. Calling out specific American consumer goods. Travel within and explore Canada.
VERY much an emphasis on Canadianness and a national spirit. “Canada is the best country on earth”.
We prefer diplomacy but are ready to fight when needed.
“Thank you, Marci, vive le Canada”
Questions coming now for 20 mins:
- He’s been reaching to speak with Trump since the inauguration and hopes to speak to him soon.
- Will retaliatory tariffs make it worse? We’ll take tough but necessary steps.
- Provinces are also taking steps such as ceasing to buy American alcohol, governments choosing not to buy American goods and services in favour of Canadian. All a part of the Canadian response.
(Sorry, questions so far all in French, doing my best)
- Going to try to balance impacts across the country, minimize concentration of impacts in localities or regions.
- Reality is Canada is a minor part of the border problems.
(Yay back to English)
- Different industries can have different leverage. Repeating in English that it’s important no one industry or region bears a disproportionate burden.
- “Will not move forward on issues that will divide the country” (cough oil)
- (Back to French) Americans need our oil gas and critical minerals, our auto parts, many things we produce that they depend on for their economy.
- Enormous challenge to the Auto industry.
- Want to be very clear, we do not want to be in this situation.
- Question about Americans getting booed at a hockey game tonight: Trudeau clearly not liking this aspect of things. We have a very long history together. Has confidence in both Canada and the American people to understand that Canada is not the big challenge facing America.
- Mercifully back to English. Doesn’t think many Americans wake up in the morning damning Canada; we’re friends and partners. Most succesful partnership the world has ever seen, a real value today’s times of geopolitical instability.
- My feed cut out, standby
- Not going to recall Parliament
- Oil off the table? Any conversations about further measures that impact a specific region or industry will be discussed among those levels involved.
- Is this actually about Fentanyl and the border? Emphasizes 1% of migrants and Fentanyl source from Canada. Still work to do. $1.3b already committed. Teams currently in China discussing precursor chemical issues. Canada shares the preoccupation with fent deaths.
- What does it mean that Trump isn’t speaking with you? Lots of good discussions over past months, ministers and officials heavily engaging. Blah blah blah.
- But if you can’t get a hold of him today can we have a productive relationship moving forward? Have had and will continue to have conversations, looks forward to continuing to talk. Have solved big problems again and will do so.
- When did you learn Trump intends to raise tariffs if there’s retaliation and did it change your strategy? Not looking to escalate but will meet the moment and stand up for Canadians and Canadian jobs. Will continue to work with the U.S. to counter fentanyl and to compete with “non-market economies around the world” (interesting choice of words).
- US says there’s nothing we can do to stop this, do you see a way out? Coming days and weeks will be hard for Canadians and Americans. Decades of partnership. This trade action and our response will have real consequences for workers on both sides. We don’t want to be here but we won’t back down standing up for Canadians and for the succesful partnership between Canada and US. Looking forward to working with US admin to deal with challenges.
Fin.
The speech started out addressed directly to Americans. Heavy emphasis on our shared history in wars and natural disasters and our close economic ties.
25% tariffs on $30b on Tuesday, extended to a total $155b in 21 days.
Talking about a united and aligned response by ‘team Canada’ at federal and provincial levels.
He’s been in contact with the president of Mexico.
Asking for solidarity from Canadians. Many of us will be impacted and will face difficult moments- family, neighbours, fellow Canadians. This crosses over differences among Canadians.
Time to choose Canada. Check labels of products and buy Canadian. Calling out specific American consumer goods. Travel within and explore Canada.
VERY much an emphasis on Canadianness and a national spirit. “Canada is the best country on earth”.
We prefer diplomacy but are ready to fight when needed.
“Thank you, Marci, vive le Canada”
Questions coming now for 20 mins:
- He’s been reaching to speak with Trump since the inauguration and hopes to speak to him soon.
- Will retaliatory tariffs make it worse? We’ll take tough but necessary steps.
- Provinces are also taking steps such as ceasing to buy American alcohol, governments choosing not to buy American goods and services in favour of Canadian. All a part of the Canadian response.
(Sorry, questions so far all in French, doing my best)
- Going to try to balance impacts across the country, minimize concentration of impacts in localities or regions.
- Reality is Canada is a minor part of the border problems.
(Yay back to English)
- Different industries can have different leverage. Repeating in English that it’s important no one industry or region bears a disproportionate burden.
- “Will not move forward on issues that will divide the country” (cough oil)
- (Back to French) Americans need our oil gas and critical minerals, our auto parts, many things we produce that they depend on for their economy.
- Enormous challenge to the Auto industry.
- Want to be very clear, we do not want to be in this situation.
- Question about Americans getting booed at a hockey game tonight: Trudeau clearly not liking this aspect of things. We have a very long history together. Has confidence in both Canada and the American people to understand that Canada is not the big challenge facing America.
- Mercifully back to English. Doesn’t think many Americans wake up in the morning damning Canada; we’re friends and partners. Most succesful partnership the world has ever seen, a real value today’s times of geopolitical instability.
- My feed cut out, standby
- Not going to recall Parliament
- Oil off the table? Any conversations about further measures that impact a specific region or industry will be discussed among those levels involved.
- Is this actually about Fentanyl and the border? Emphasizes 1% of migrants and Fentanyl source from Canada. Still work to do. $1.3b already committed. Teams currently in China discussing precursor chemical issues. Canada shares the preoccupation with fent deaths.
- What does it mean that Trump isn’t speaking with you? Lots of good discussions over past months, ministers and officials heavily engaging. Blah blah blah.
- But if you can’t get a hold of him today can we have a productive relationship moving forward? Have had and will continue to have conversations, looks forward to continuing to talk. Have solved big problems again and will do so.
- When did you learn Trump intends to raise tariffs if there’s retaliation and did it change your strategy? Not looking to escalate but will meet the moment and stand up for Canadians and Canadian jobs. Will continue to work with the U.S. to counter fentanyl and to compete with “non-market economies around the world” (interesting choice of words).
- US says there’s nothing we can do to stop this, do you see a way out? Coming days and weeks will be hard for Canadians and Americans. Decades of partnership. This trade action and our response will have real consequences for workers on both sides. We don’t want to be here but we won’t back down standing up for Canadians and for the succesful partnership between Canada and US. Looking forward to working with US admin to deal with challenges.
Fin.
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Fabius
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Coming from him, the advocate of the post national state, it’s a sad testimony to where we have found ourselves.
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daftandbarmy
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I enjoyed how he conjured the 'beaches at Normandy and the Korean Peninsula' etc without a hint of ironic shame ...
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Care to elaborate on what part of that was ironic?
Haggis
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Of course not. He'd face an almost immediate confidence vote.
Fabius
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Really?
A leader, party and country that has chronically underfunded and ignored military power using military successes well in the past to inspire nationalism and to demonstrate our ties to allies; seems ironic to me.
Oldgateboatdriver
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I believe he also mentioned Kandahar. That's not well in the past.
I am not a Trudeau fan but his speech was spot on - national leader level - and not partisan at all. I'll give him credit here, because credit is due.
I am not a Trudeau fan but his speech was spot on - national leader level - and not partisan at all. I'll give him credit here, because credit is due.
It was a good speech. Better than we’ve been accustomed to from him.
And yeah, he mentioned Kandahar, Korea, Normandy, 9/11, Katrina, our water bombers in California just weeks ago… Lots of speaking to Americans.
Fabius
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The tendency to anti Americanism now will be hard to counteract. If the various government levels take a positive approach to now pivot towards reducing internal trade barriers, reducing corporate taxes, encouraging investment, increasing productivity etc. they might be more successful.
Focusing only on not buying American and import and export tariffs will only strengthen the tendency to such displays as the booing of the US anthem.
Brad Sallows
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He might be referring to the liquor board as a single purchaser. It's not a fact worth paying attention to - if you can legislate a large purchasing monopoly in a sizeable jurisdiction, don't be surprised if it ranks in the top 10.
A point to remember: Canada vs US is not happening in isolation. This is happening with Mexico and China too. Our retaliatory measures will not be in a vacuum. The more countries or trading blocs the U.S. tries to bully at once, the more reciprocal pain they feel.
I don’t have a finger on the pulse of what that’s actually poised to look like right now.
I don’t have a finger on the pulse of what that’s actually poised to look like right now.
The noteworthy point is simply the scale of purchasing power and that it dances to a governmental tune.
See my previous:
One thing with liquor is it’s highly substitutable for Canadian consumers. We can hit it hard to apply pressure to specific U.S. constituencies, and Canadian consumers can buy other products with no real detrimental impact to ourselves.
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We have to keep the American people/voters on our side so that they blame the rising prices on Trump rather than Canada since they are likely the only ones that can get Trump to change his mind now.
Denmark looking at Ozempic and Mersk as possible tools to retaliate if Trump goes after them over Greenland. Both things are not insignificant.
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