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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

We have a little distillery outside of Ottawa in Perth.


The maple or butter tart stuff is like crack.
 
We have a little distillery outside of Ottawa in Perth.


The maple or butter tart stuff is like crack.

Perth!

I will be in Kingston a few times this year, I will have to make a day trip up.
 
Perth!

I will be in Kingston a few times this year, I will have to make a day trip up.
Topshelf distillery. Totally worth it. Discovered them during the pandemic of all things when they converted to making hand sanitizer when there was a shortage at the beginning. They got a lot of exposure during that time. At the time they were really only making gin. But have expanded quite a bit now.
 
Topshelf distillery. Totally worth it. Discovered them during the pandemic of all things when they converted to making hand sanitizer when there was a shortage at the beginning. They got a lot of exposure during that time. At the time they were really only making gin. But have expanded quite a bit now.
Dunrobin Distillery in western Ottawa makes an Earl Grey tea gin, perfect for breakfast.
 
Dunrobin Distillery in western Ottawa makes an Earl Grey tea gin, perfect for breakfast.
I normally buy a bottle of their whiskey every so often at the farmer’s market over the summer. They have a stall there.
 
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Sadly when you publicly don’t give respect to an elected official don’t be surprised when this occurs.
Trudeau very stupidly spoke about Harris losing and the step back on Feminism in the US. Not a move professionally or diplomatically that should have occurred. Trudeau and the Liberal party should not be surprised by any of this.
Remind me again which new Liberal hopeful leader has spoke about this?
 
The LCBO is the largest liquor purchaser in the world. If the LCBO stops buying American products it will be noticed, and will create problems in America.

The average bourbon drinker drinks JD because it's cheap and available... How many years of JD being more expensive than 40 Creek does it take to shift consumer interest?
I suppose I have to make the point more clear.

People who think they can out-guess the spontaneously emerging behaviour of markets - Adam Smith's "invisible hand" - pretty much always lose. People are anticipating that product embargoes ought to have the particular effect they desire. I have pointed out one example of something they haven't thought through, based on empirical observation, explained by someone who worked in the business.

Attacking easily reorganized supply chains is one of the last places to look for a pressure point.

Trump thinks his tariffs are going to be a massive revenue generator, as if people won't change production and purchasing behaviour. People proposing counter-tariffs and embargoes think those measures are "targeted" and will have particular effects, as if people won't change production and purchasing behaviour. What's most likely is that they will all turn out to be wrong, unless they really tighten the screws in their respective domains to force people to supply and buy particular things.

People proposing to accelerate selected projects with public funds will probably also guess wrong in attempting to choose "winners" and "losers". I further guess that this part of the "emergency response" will mainly be used to further subsidize the bleeding edges of emerging technologies - usually an expensive proposition - under the guise of funding "all sorts of things".
 
Donald Trump vs Michael Bloomberg



...

Bloomberg - Mark Carney - City of London - EU - WEF - Davos - Podesta - Centre for American Progress - Canada 2020 - Liberal Party of Canada - Power Corp.


And another man you have never heard of

Morgan McSweeney


....

Then add China-China-China on top and you have the basis for our current predicament.
 
I suppose I have to make the point more clear.

People who think they can out-guess the spontaneously emerging behaviour of markets - Adam Smith's "invisible hand" - pretty much always lose. People are anticipating that product embargoes ought to have the particular effect they desire. I have pointed out one example of something they haven't thought through, based on empirical observation, explained by someone who worked in the business.

Attacking easily reorganized supply chains is one of the last places to look for a pressure point.

Trump thinks his tariffs are going to be a massive revenue generator, as if people won't change production and purchasing behaviour. People proposing counter-tariffs and embargoes think those measures are "targeted" and will have particular effects, as if people won't change production and purchasing behaviour. What's most likely is that they will all turn out to be wrong, unless they really tighten the screws in their respective domains to force people to supply and buy particular things.

People proposing to accelerate selected projects with public funds will probably also guess wrong in attempting to choose "winners" and "losers". I further guess that this part of the "emergency response" will mainly be used to further subsidize the bleeding edges of emerging technologies - usually an expensive proposition - under the guise of funding "all sorts of things".

Supply chains will find a way...


"Supply chains will find a way" means that despite disruptions or challenges, the network of companies and processes involved in getting a product from its raw materials to the consumer will adapt and find alternative methods to continue delivering goods, even if it means adjusting routes, sourcing different suppliers, or implementing new strategies to overcome obstacles.

Key points about this phrase:
  • Resilience:
    It emphasizes the inherent flexibility and adaptability of supply chains, allowing them to weather unexpected events like natural disasters, political instability, or sudden demand shifts.

  • Innovation:
    When faced with disruptions, companies within a supply chain will often innovate to find new solutions, such as utilizing different transportation methods, exploring alternative sourcing options, or leveraging technology to optimize logistics.

  • Market forces:
    The basic economic principle that businesses will strive to meet consumer demand, even if it requires finding new ways to source and deliver products.
Example situations where "supply chains will find a way" might be used:
  • A major port is temporarily closed due to weather, but companies within the supply chain can reroute shipments through different ports or utilize air freight to minimize delays.

  • A key component becomes scarce due to a production issue, prompting companies to explore alternative suppliers or redesign products to use different materials.

  • A geopolitical conflict disrupts trade routes, leading businesses to identify new trade partners or adjust shipping lanes to navigate around affected regions.

 
Trump is starting a trade war without allies, and may find his economy arrayed against a coalition of the willing-to-buy-elsewhere. The U.S. exports over $2t a year; about 7.5% of its GDP. Canada on its own has limited leverage. The rest of the world together has considerably more. You can absolutely bet that US adversaries like China will encourage such reprisal as a strategic weakening of America’s diplomatic and economic partnerships, and Trump is going to play right into that hand.
If adversaries taking advantage of the situation is a worry, we shouldn't take a second step (Trump took the first) which escalates and militates that situation.

People are too easily goaded into following one mistake with another because they can't control their tempers and think rationally. That their emotions are not in check is visible on the faces they present to cameras. For once it would be useful to consider and follow the contrarian "anti-war" path, instead of the bleating of the sheep who suddenly want to be wolves.

This is an economic dispute, and there is ample empirical evidence that favours maintaining unilateral free-trading practices even in the face of protectionism. Repeat that as long as necessary for the implications to sink in.
 
Screw you all. I have 17 bottles of Rick and Lisa's driveway wine from 2023 still in y wine rack so i am good to go. My wife and I harvested a bunch of wild grapes from our 500m driveway and made some low quality wine in 2023. Its 5-9% alcohol and watch for grape skins and the occasional seeds.
 
If adversaries taking advantage of the situation is a worry, we shouldn't take a second step (Trump took the first) which escalates and militates that situation.

People are too easily goaded into following one mistake with another because they can't control their tempers and think rationally. That their emotions are not in check is visible on the faces they present to cameras. For once it would be useful to consider and follow the contrarian "anti-war" path, instead of the bleating of the sheep who suddenly want to be wolves.

This is an economic dispute, and there is ample empirical evidence that favours maintaining unilateral free-trading practices even in the face of protectionism. Repeat that as long as necessary for the implications to sink in.
My bottom line view is this. Canada vs USA trade war is Canada loses much more than the USA. I don't give a rats poodle how Trump deals with the rest of the world, to me it is irrelevant.

I want a federal government with a fresh mandate (election now kids) that represents ALL the provinces making a deal with Trump and for F sake, lets tidy up our front lawn (secure the damn borders and get a grip on crime including illegals and "asylum" seekers"). I don't blame the provinces for sticking up for themselves (not like Trudeau can and in my view he no longer has mandate to do so).
 
Topshelf distillery. Totally worth it. Discovered them during the pandemic of all things when they converted to making hand sanitizer when there was a shortage at the beginning. They got a lot of exposure during that time. At the time they were really only making gin. But have expanded quite a bit now.
Gin is an easy product to get a distillery up and solvent while working on products with longer prep times (eg. whiskies).
 
Don't assume that Donald is just indulging fancies.

Many here find it easy to believe that Trudeau is nothing but a pair of socks but are equally determined to get rid of him because of the line of thought, the philosophy, the supporters and fellow-travellers he represents.

Donald didn't get to where he is without having a similar coterie. He too has his true believers.

Trudeau and Trump. Leaders and followers. Dilettantes and Demagogues. Believers and Figureheads.


To quote that gold standard of US journalism, USA Today: is this about “revenge” or “revenue”?

For there really is a moral case for tariffs. In a protectionist state, goes the argument, there is less need for welfare because jobs are plentiful; less incidence of social unrest because wages are high.

Prices might go up – though they barely did in Trump’s first term – but that’s the whole point. While income taxes penalise effort, tariffs, by hitting consumption, encourage frugality and saving.



Trump’s trade war isn’t as mad as it seems​

The Donald is right to challenge the prevailing anti-tariff orthodoxy

02 February 2025 2:45pm GMT




After Trump slapped tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China, economists of Left and Right called him a lunatic: protectionism surely means higher prices, disrupted supply chains, trade war. Super triple bad!
Yet philosophically it makes sense, and the inability of journalists to see the President’s point of view betrays how far free trade has become a religion – a faith, like any other, that’s prone to myth and hypocrisy.

The myth is that free trade built America and is an axiom of conservative thought. In reality, throughout the 19th century, taxes on imported goods provided over half the government’s revenues, and Republican presidents saw them as essential to expand industry and protect US workers from cheap products and labour. To quote President William McKinley, Trump’s mountainous hero: “Free trade results in our giving our money… our manufactures and our markets to other nations... It will bring widespread discontent. It will revolutionize our values.”

That consensus ended with the Depression, which appeared to discredit economic nationalism, and the Cold War, which transformed America into the referee of a new international system. Free trade graduated to orthodoxy. Yet even Ronnie Reagan used tariffs – against Japan – and Joe Biden imposed a 100 per cent tariff on Chinese electric cars, also tripling taxes on steel and aluminium products. “If the pandemic taught us anything,” said Biden, “we need to have a secure supply of essentials here at home.”

The EU remains a cartel, charging the US around 8-10 per cent to sell cars in its market. In short, economic protection is a fact of life, and comes in multiple forms – from subsidies to currency manipulation to environmental or labour standards –indicating that it is natural for human beings to tip the scales in their favour.

From the White House it looks as if America is currently carrying the weight of the world on its shoulders. The country pays about $820 billion to defend the West while operating a trade deficit worth $773 billion. Its border is overrun by illegal migrants and drugs. In 2023, around 81,000 Americans died from opioid overdoses; a key source of illegal fentanyl is China, coincidentally America’s #1 competitor, routed through Mexico via drug gangs.

You might argue that addiction is a problem of demand, not supply, but to the reactionary mind, migrants, foreign cars and drugs amount to an invasion by other means. Brits agonise over the fact that Americans make more money than us, yet that advantage is being whittled away by crippling medical bills and early deaths – signs that an apparently strong nation is, like the late Roman empire, overwhelmed and crumbling from within.

So, Trump wants to use tariffs to force foreigners to show some respect. When the US recently tried to repatriate migrants to Colombia, the Colombian government refused to play ball. Trump threatened tariffs and visa sanctions; the Colombians folded an hour later and offered to send their presidential plane to collect their people.

Trump tried similar tricks in his first term and even free market Republicans made their peace with what they hoped was a temporary tool of foreign policy coercion. The interesting question, the one that really matters, is this: does Trump Mark II, emboldened by a new majority, now want to make these tariffs permanent in order to rebalance the domestic economy away from taxes on income and towards taxes on imports? To quote that gold standard of US journalism, USA Today: is this about “revenge” or “revenue”?

For there really is a moral case for tariffs. In a protectionist state, goes the argument, there is less need for welfare because jobs are plentiful; less incidence of social unrest because wages are high.

Prices might go up – though they barely did in Trump’s first term – but that’s the whole point. While income taxes penalise effort, tariffs, by hitting consumption, encourage frugality and saving. Citizens grow their own food, make their own products and defer pleasure,
all critical ingredients of the Protestant-capitalist ethic. The rhetorical link between addiction and free trade/open borders is apt. Trump wishes to make his country not just great but sober and independent, weaned off the opium of cheap Chinese imports.

To those who say, “this is a variety of social engineering”, one might reply: “so is net-zero”. Few of us practice economics objectively; it’s a means to build the society you want.

Trump has thus dragged a latent culture war into the open. On one side are liberals who believe the world must pool resources and sovereignty to save the planet. On the other, nationalists argue that however well-intentioned this is – even if anthropogenic climate change is real or the global south has a legitimate claim for reparations – what it means in practice is powerful democracies losing their edge.

The world is a jungle. Nation states, like individuals, should put their own people first. We can carry on down the path of signing treaties and lowering barriers and, for a while, it will make Americans feel like the strongest consumers in history, driving off to see their oxycodone dealers in their cheap little electric cars. Till the day comes that China says it wants Taiwan, and Beijing is too strong for anyone to stop it.
 
Speaking of Bourbon. I didn't know this but the United States are also in trade talks with the EU over US tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. If no deal is reached by March 31st, the EU is threatening to impose a 50% tariff on US whiskey exports to the EU. So, its possible that Bourbon producers could get hit with a 25% tariff from Canada (no details on Mexican targets) and 50% tariff from the EU. More details here:

 
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