CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Eaglelord17]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

 

[Kirkhill]

Recall Ottawa saying energy’s on the table, and Ford saying electricity (also a type of energy) on the table, but don’t recall Ford throwing AB under the bus. I stand to be corrected, though.

That was certainly the inference drawn out here.

Trump would be happy to see the end of Canada’s oil industry? Interesting read…

Trump may not be happy to see that but there are plenty that would take advantage of the opportunity if it presented itself.

There is always a lot of chaotic toing and froing in negotiations with nothing being clear until papers signed and you have a year or two to understand the effects of the agreements.

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I'm inclined to suck back and reload on this one. Let's watch for a while.

 

[Kirkhill]

Someone needs to tell all the Premiers to shut up and stay in their lanes. International affairs is a Federal matter, no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

 

[Remius]

We don't have a Federal government, certainly not one that the Premiers trust. Strangely, in 1867, the Premiers signed on to this Confederation thing on the grounds that they were hiring a Federal government to manage these exact negotiations - inter-provincial disputes, international negotiations and national defence/security.

A hundred a some years later we have a Federal government focused on handing out baby bonuses, threatening provincial interests and clueless about how to negotiate with other countries.

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Interesting articles for you.

* | Latest Market News | Argus Media

Tariffs threatened by the US against Canada will become a reality, according to the premier of oil-rich Alberta , but any retaliation will not entail cutting off energy exports.

www.argusmedia.com

Oilpatch wary as Ottawa, provinces threaten energy exports in retaliation over Trump tariffs

Donald Trump's claim that he will slap a 25 per cent tariff on all imported Canadian goods sent a jolt through the energy sector. Read more

financialpost.com

Oil Embargo on the U.S. Could Blow Up in Canada's Face | OilPrice.com

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith opposes federal threats to impose an oil embargo on the U.S.

oilprice.com

Any talk of turning off energy exports needs to be defined. If it is not inclusive of Alberta oil and is only electricity that needs to be expressly said. And I have take from the reaction of Ford and the Feds to DS moves this week it was on the table. Again only my suspicions.

Thanks for these - always happy to get more detail.

 

[Remius]

The PM and premiers are giving a press conference right now. First time they all look or at least sound united.

Just a quick edit. Daniel Smith is absent from the joint press conference. So maybe not so united. We’ll see what she says.

 

[The Bread Guy]

If you think we have a crushing deficit now, just wait until the next government has to roll out CERB 2025/26 to deal with the economic impact of these tariffs. Because it worked so well the last time.

While we wait for more on the meeting between the Premiers & PMJT, just spotted this on your point (highlights mine) - way to jinx it by typing it out loud, BTW

Bailout plan in response to Trump tariffs on the agenda for premiers’ meeting with Trudeau

The premiers are meeting with PM in Ottawa Wednesday to hash out what the country will do to counter Trump’s promise to levy tariffs

www.theglobeandmail.com

Also archived here if link doesn't work. From the article ....
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[Brad Sallows]

no Premier should be going to another country and trying to negotiate.

Sure they should. The federal governing party has decided its first order of business is to take a time out and work on minimizing the likely damage to its electoral fortunes in the next election. Trudeau could have flat-out resigned so that a PM could be chosen in the House at any time in the preceding months, but he didn't. Any provinces bearing unfair shares of whatever measures result should drop out of whatever was agreed; everyone should understand up front that this is the way it is, and declare it openly to Canadians.

Everyone has had a couple of months to lay down some plans (not aspirational talking points). I've concluded pretty much all the political leaders and senior staff just kept pushing it off in the hopes it wouldn't really happen. (It still hasn't really happened.) So where are we?

"We have to stick together."

Translation: the majority among us who are planning to protect our interests by selling out the minority among us want to browbeat those poor bastards into agreeing in advance to abide by whatever shitty provisions we cook up. Sticking together is predicated on everyone being treated fairly. We've been hearing this line for months, and it's past time to reveal details of what is to be "stuck to".

"I'm going to fight for Canada."

Translation: I'm going to use this opportunity to boost my political profile by putting on the Captain Canada suit and talking tough. For the Liberals who might otherwise launch no-hope leadership bids (as always happens during a leadership race), this is more attractive than a quixotic run at being not even the leader of the Opposition; they just have to keep not doing whatever it is they haven't been doing for the past few months while they should have been preparing.

 

[Kirkhill]

Varcoe: 'Just plain dumb' — Experts warn Canada against using energy as weapon in tariff dispute

Canada would be playing a risky game if it imposes export taxes or restricts energy to the U.S. as part of a trade dispute, experts say.

calgaryherald.com

 

[OldSolduer]

Just because we have a incompetent government doesn’t mean the provinces get to step outside their lane.

This has been happening more and more recently, someone needs to strongly indicate what responsibilities both sides have and to follow them. It is the beauty of our system, clearly defined roles that unfortunately we choose to ignore for political purposes.

Beggin yer pardon but just where is the PM in all this? No doubt "reflecting" on how we Canadians fucked him over. Which is what he did to us..

 

[Brad Sallows]

Just because we have a incompetent government doesn’t mean the provinces get to step outside their lane.

"We have to endure whatever dysfunction the two federal governing parties have created and sustained in their attempts to maintain political power" is an absurd proposal.

Now some are talking about COVID-scale financial supports. People f*cking with the present and future economy so clumsily deserve no respect for their authority whatsoever.

 

[Remius]

Beggin yer pardon but just where is the PM in all this? No doubt "reflecting" on how we Canadians fucked him over. Which is what he did to us..

He was quite litterally in a meeting with the Premiers and appearing in a joint press conference this afternoon.

 

[Kirkhill]

PS

I noted the PM referenced that the Autopact, which the PM acknowledges benefits Ontario, is targeted by Trump.

As I have noted in the past the Autopact was bought with the DEW Line and BOMARC missiles.
The Canada US Trade Agreement was bought with the North Warning Line

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[McG]

She represented her people as a good Premier should.

She is putting her separatist aspirations above “her people” and she is pandering to a PPC base.

 

[suffolkowner]

cutting off oil is stupid it provides no benefit to Canada just let the tariff work do its own destructive work the same with Quebec hydro. Unless of course Trumps bluffing and he doesnt tariff those things

 

[Halifax Tar]

She is putting her separatist aspirations above “her people” and she is pandering to a PPC base.

If you say so.

 

[Kirkhill]

@Remius

Butthurt wexiters?

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Cheeribye.

 

[McG]

If the priority were protecting the province’s interests and not leveraging a new wedge for separatism, she would not have dialed it in from Panama.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-premiers-trudeau-meeting-trump-tariffs-1.7431085

 

[Kirkhill]

If the priority were protecting the province’s interests and not leveraging a new wedge for separatism, she would not have dialed it in from Panama.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-premiers-trudeau-meeting-trump-tariffs-1.7431085

Panama hunh? Interesting choice of vacation spot currently. All things considered.

 

[Kirkhill]

Plan B?

Braid: Smith has plan to stop feds from looting Alberta to pay for tariff crisis

Premier Danielle Smith may create agency to buy sell oil, in order to avoid Liberal export tax. Offshoot of MAGA Donald Trump tariff threat.

calgaryherald.com