CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[mariomike]

How is it a net loss for Republicans?

Politically?

 

[QV]

The votes would potentially lean DNC.

I don't think Trump cares about the Republican Party though.

 

[brihard]

The votes would potentially lean DNC.

I don't think Trump cares about the Republican Party though.

Bold of you to assume he’s coerce us in and then enfranchise us to vote against him.

 

[Booter]

I’d suggest the easiest start is actually jailing people for significant drug seizures. Which we don’t do. If we catch and release I don’t think it matters how many dudes are watching.

 

[Booter]

The votes would potentially lean DNC.

I don't think Trump cares about the Republican Party though.

Or we just become a territory for 50 years and can’t vote until the new generation of voters is brought up in the new age.

 

[brihard]

Or we just become a territory for 50 years and can’t vote until the new generation of voters is brought up in the new age.

A perpetual “roadmap to statehood”, designed not to advance.

 

[Kirkhill]

It doesn't detract from their argument, but a slight quibble with the caption; that is not a map of energy pipelines but oil pipelines. I don't know about western Canada but there are indeed gas pipelines that flow into central and eastern Canada.

Behold the Trans Canada Natural Gas system including the recently completed Coast Gas Link to the LNG port at Kitimat

About Coastal GasLink

With an industry-leading safety record, and a stable network of natural gas pipelines, TC Energy is committed to delivering the energy people need, every day. Coastal GasLink is an essential component of how we are working to support the global energy transition. Spanning 670 kilometres (416...

www.coastalgaslink.com

First shipment anticipated Mid 2025

$18B LNG Canada Kitimat facility set to introduce natural gas

Project, which is about 90-per-cent complete, is slated to be operational next summer

www.biv.com

Note that our gas is delivered to tide water at US ports and at Quebec ports (Montreal and Quebec).

Kitimat is the first tide water export facility in Canada. Note that the closest the existing network of gas lines approaches Canadian tide water is at Cochrane Ontario with Moosonee being salt water. The next closest approach is from the Alberta fields across the top of Saskatchewan and Manitoba to Churchill/Port Nelson/York Factory. That is two or three times the length of the Cochrane-Moosonee line. And yes, it would be a seasonal shipment involving ice-strengthened hulls and breakers. It might even involve some extraordinary civil works after the fashion of those employed in the Beaufort Sea.

Here's the CAPP oil pipeline map including the TMX line.

Oil Pipelines | Oil Sands Magazine

DESCRIPTION: CANADIAN CRUDE EXPORT AND DILUENT IMPORT PIPELINES SITE MAP: PROJECTS / MIDSTREAM / PIPELINES SOURCE: CAPP, CER, STATISTICS CANADA, PIPELINE OPERATORS UPDATED: JAN 7, 2025

www.oilsandsmagazine.com

And for the trifecta here is the Canadian rail network



The "Other (eg Short Lines)" include The Churchill Railway and the Ontario Northland Polar Bear Express between Cochrane and Moosonee.

Gas and oil could be delivered by rail to Halifax, Saint John and Bathurst but would have to go through Quebec.
It could also be delivered to Prince Rupert, Kitimat and Vancouver, BC willing.

PS - anybody noticing how much of Canada doesn't have any lines of any type in comparison to the spaghetti bowl that is the US?

 

[PrairieFella]

He doesn’t want Canada, it’s a net loss for Republicans. He wants Canada to act - so insulting sovereignty is one way to get Canadians to actually act on that.

I’m sure he also enjoys watching people lose their minds about nonsense.

He is a very cunning showman.

Youre ascribing way to much logic to a man who has proven to be completely illogical. Whats more likely is he actually does want to annex Canada for the win and the for the showmanship. I doubt he's doing the second order thinking that would make him realize he'd ensure Republicans are never elected again.

 

[foresterab]

Behold the Trans Canada Natural Gas system including the recently completed Coast Gas Link to the LNG port at Kitimat
View attachment 91023

About Coastal GasLink

With an industry-leading safety record, and a stable network of natural gas pipelines, TC Energy is committed to delivering the energy people need, every day. Coastal GasLink is an essential component of how we are working to support the global energy transition. Spanning 670 kilometres (416...

www.coastalgaslink.com

First shipment anticipated Mid 2025

$18B LNG Canada Kitimat facility set to introduce natural gas

Project, which is about 90-per-cent complete, is slated to be operational next summer

www.biv.com

Note that our gas is delivered to tide water at US ports and at Quebec ports (Montreal and Quebec).

Kitimat is the first tide water export facility in Canada. Note that the closest the existing network of gas lines approaches Canadian tide water is at Cochrane Ontario with Moosonee being salt water. The next closest approach is from the Alberta fields across the top of Saskatchewan and Manitoba to Churchill/Port Nelson/York Factory. That is two or three times the length of the Cochrane-Moosonee line. And yes, it would be a seasonal shipment involving ice-strengthened hulls and breakers. It might even involve some extraordinary civil works after the fashion of those employed in the Beaufort Sea.

Here's the CAPP oil pipeline map including the TMX line.

View attachment 91024

Oil Pipelines | Oil Sands Magazine

DESCRIPTION: CANADIAN CRUDE EXPORT AND DILUENT IMPORT PIPELINES SITE MAP: PROJECTS / MIDSTREAM / PIPELINES SOURCE: CAPP, CER, STATISTICS CANADA, PIPELINE OPERATORS UPDATED: JAN 7, 2025

www.oilsandsmagazine.com

And for the trifecta here is the Canadian rail network

View attachment 91025

The "Other (eg Short Lines)" include The Churchill Railway and the Ontario Northland Polar Bear Express between Cochrane and Moosonee.

Gas and oil could be delivered by rail to Halifax, Saint John and Bathurst but would have to go through Quebec.
It could also be delivered to Prince Rupert, Kitimat and Vancouver, BC willing.

PS - anybody noticing how much of Canada doesn't have any lines of any type in comparison to the spaghetti bowl that is the US?

Well when you look at the development of the TransCanada railway there are a couple of things that still stand out to me:
1) one of the first acts was to buy a US railroad from Sault Ste Marie to Daluth to allow shipments to current day Winnipeg (and build both east and west from that point)
2) more dynamite was used in northern ontario than through BC

What I also never realized as a kid travelling through that area but sure realized as an adult is how harsh, especially by 1800 settlement standards, northern Ontario is and how much of a geographic barrier it is on the country.

It is telling that 150 post confederation the country is still connected - in northern Ontario - by two lane highway pinch points just outside of Nipigon to Thunder Bay....and then again from Kamistigquia to Shabaqua Corner....and then again from Kenora to Manitoba. Or if you truly want to travel E/W fast you go south through the USA.

The USA has its empty spaces especially in the SW states but nothing like some of the barriers in Canada.

 

[brihard]

Well when you look at the development of the TransCanada railway there are a couple of things that still stand out to me:
1) one of the first acts was to buy a US railroad from Sault Ste Marie to Daluth to allow shipments to current day Winnipeg (and build both east and west from that point)
2) more dynamite was used in northern ontario than through BC

What I also never realized as a kid travelling through that area but sure realized as an adult is how harsh, especially by 1800 settlement standards, northern Ontario is and how much of a geographic barrier it is on the country.

It is telling that 150 post confederation the country is still connected - in northern Ontario - by two lane highway pinch points just outside of Nipigon to Thunder Bay....and then again from Kamistigquia to Shabaqua Corner....and then again from Kenora to Manitoba. Or if you truly want to travel E/W fast you go south through the USA.

The USA has its empty spaces especially in the SW states but nothing like some of the barriers in Canada.

Pushing hard on the twinning of highway 17 to complete a four lane Trans Canada would be a useful reduction of barriers to internal trade.

 

[KevinB]

Youre ascribing way to much logic to a man who has proven to be completely illogical.

His team has had four years to prepare -- I am not a big DJT fan, but he is a master manipulator, and has generally a lot of smart folks working for him. One shouldn't discount certain ideas and/or strategies just due to dislike of a person.

Whats more likely is he actually does want to annex Canada for the win and the for the showmanship. I doubt he's doing the second order thinking that would make him realize he'd ensure Republicans are never elected again.

You are falling into the trap. Where is the win in getting Canada? More debt? More crybabies? Better to take Alberta in the Interior of BC - and watch Canada crumble and die.

While DJT may be a braggart and a blowhard, he isn't a fool - the tariffs are a stick to get Canada and other countries to act a certain way -- like live up to promises that where made a decade ago...

 

[KevinB]

How is it a net loss for Republicans? We have a TON of raw material resources- industries they tend to be quite favourable to.

Getting Canadians...

Canadian land and resources are great, but the people

 

[brihard]

Getting Canadians...

Canadian land and resources are great, but the people

The trouble with Scotland is that it’s full of Scots.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I view DJT as an irredeemable conman that I wouldn't trust to give me last nights scores- but In this case I would actually lean to his version being more "true."

It's a lowest common denominator explanation that misrepresents the details of the actual situation via simplification- de facto vice de jure kind of thing. American banks are not technically banned, but from their perspective our regulatory regime creates an untenable competitive environment, which has resulted in them having an insignificant and inexplicably small market share for a supposedly "free trade" environment- which is kind of potato-potahtoe from their side of the fence. I don't think knowledgeable person would argue the principle of the matter, that our regulatory regime does indeed stifle competition and restrict entry. We just don't care because we like it the way it is- it serves the interest of our people.

Someone on our side trying to refute the above and position our banking industry as open and competitive by framing 113 billion in cumulative assets as being in any way meaningful is counting on audience ignorance of the scale of the banking industry to deceptively invalidate the US concerns and avoid discussing the crux of the issue- that certain of our national interests definitely do fly in the face of free trade, and that if the US pushes we may be forced to choose.

We gain nothing by meeting his lies with lies to ourselves, or by burying our heads in the sand about the nature of their grievances.

Thx for the added nuance- appreciated!

Edited to add: thx, more specifically, for fleshing out more of the truth compared to the two other “political truths/lies.”

 

[GR66]

Getting Canadians...

Canadian land and resources are great, but the people

 

[QV]

Another great pic by Trump. Marco Rubio talks tariffs and other stuff.

 

[QV]

Youre ascribing way to much logic to a man who has proven to be completely illogical. Whats more likely is he actually does want to annex Canada for the win and the for the showmanship. I doubt he's doing the second order thinking that would make him realize he'd ensure Republicans are never elected again.

You just said this about a guy who came back from political death to achieve the greatest comeback in American political history and is right now utterly dismantling everything his political opponents laid down?

 

[Brad Sallows]

How is it a net loss for Republicans? We have a TON of raw material resources- industries they tend to be quite favourable to.

There's little point worrying about "51st state" rhetoric unless you're willing to be at least partly realistic. Canada would not enter as less than a state; it would not enter as a single state. Most new states formed from parts of Canada would lean moderately to heavily Democratic, tilting the presidency (EC votes), Senate, and House towards more frequent Democratic control. Republicans know this.

 

[Kirkhill]

His team has had four years to prepare -- I am not a big DJT fan, but he is a master manipulator, and has generally a lot of smart folks working for him. One shouldn't discount certain ideas and/or strategies just due to dislike of a person.

You are falling into the trap. Where is the win in getting Canada? More debt? More crybabies? Better to take Alberta in the Interior of BC - and watch Canada crumble and die.

While DJT may be a braggart and a blowhard, he isn't a fool - the tariffs are a stick to get Canada and other countries to act a certain way -- like live up to promises that where made a decade ago...

While I generally agree with you re DJT and his team I disagree on the what would happen if the US got its hands on Canada. I think all those blank spots on the maps I posted above would be filled in pretty quick.

And there would a massive rush to Florida, Texas and Arizona. I don't know many people that aspired to retire in California. Jobs in Tennessee and Kentucky were popular.

 

[Kirkhill]

The trouble with Scotland is that it’s full of Scots.

Not so true as it used to be. First we had to put up with the Irish, then it was Italians and Pakistanis, now its the English. Its getting harder to find a Scot.