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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

I've got a question and it may not be as silly as it first may appear.
What's the difference between the Rideau canal and the discussed pipeline from a legal point of view?
Can't you describe them both as projects built for the purpose of National Defence?
And in spite of all the somewhat bizarre political gymnastics when it comes to Federal Provincial relations. Defence falls into the Federal purview as opposed to Provincial.
Or it least it used to .....
I think you’d hit a bunch of other things more directly before you got to national defence.

I think if this was an easy answer, it would exist already. Even provinces that really want such a pipeline will probably feel some trepidation at encouraging a legal argument that the feds can force it on a reluctant province. Because if they can do that, what else could they impose in a legal grey space?

I’m far, far from an expert on this though, and definitely not a lawyer; some other members here are. I’m just spitballing it as best as I can.
 
If the cost of Canadian eggs with a 25% tariff is cheaper than the cost of US eggs, it still amounts to a comparative advantage. It is completely sensible although that might be hard to digest by people who filter everything emotionally.
It's like you're physically incapable of viewing anything they're doing down south as ill-informed. He was commenting on the stupidity of the tariffs, which are stupid as shit and will cause a contraction at best, recession more likely, in the States.
 
I've got a question and it may not be as silly as it first may appear.
What's the difference between the Rideau canal and the discussed pipeline from a legal point of view?
Can't you describe them both as projects built for the purpose of National Defence?
And in spite of all the somewhat bizarre political gymnastics when it comes to Federal Provincial relations. Defence falls into the Federal purview as opposed to Provincial.
Or it least it used to .....
The Rideau Canal was built by the British before the British North America Act (Constitution Act 1867) was passed. It was intended as a way of protecting the movement of military assets between Montreal and Kingston after the War of 1812 and when it was believed the US still had designs on the colony.

I suppose from a strictly legal perspective, the British could pretty much do what they wanted to in their colony.

I think there is a danger of lumping a large basket of public spending under the guise of 'national security'. That's what seems to be going on in the US right now.
 
If the cost of Canadian eggs with a 25% tariff is cheaper than the cost of US eggs, it still amounts to a comparative advantage. It is completely sensible although that might be hard to digest by people who filter everything emotionally.
It’s still stupid to tariff imports of basic grocery items that they’re presently unable to substitute. We can sell them anyway, and their own population needlessly overpays for the basic necessities that they’re dependent on. They’ve simply imposed a 25% sales tax on imported eggs. What policy or behavioural change is thusly achieved? Is the policy objective to drive their population towards shittier food?

I mean, accuse others of taking things emotionally, sure… But maybe in defence of Trump’s Egg Tax isn’t the most compelling place to do that.
 
It's like you're physically incapable of viewing anything they're doing down south as ill-informed. He was commenting on the stupidity of the tariffs, which are stupid as shit and will cause a contraction at best, recession more likely, in the States.
I've already commented elsewhere on the stupidity of the tariffs, but the tariff issue is supposedly going to be there on everything, regardless. This time I'm commenting on a situation in which the price gap is such that importing eggs is a smart thing to do, even if juxtaposing the tariff issue makes a good meme.

The bad news is that if Americans are willing to pay more for Canadian eggs and still save money versus buying American eggs, I expect prices to increase for Canadians due to the demand competition. That should keep outrage pipes burning for a while, for those that need it.
 
It’s still stupid to tariff imports of basic grocery items that they’re presently unable to substitute.
It's stupid to have import tariffs on almost anything. We needlessly overpay for basic necessities, too, due to protectionist government policies. That's the landscape.
I mean, accuse others of taking things emotionally, sure… But maybe in defence of Trump’s Egg Tax isn’t the most compelling place to do that.
"Egg Tax". How clever.
 
It's stupid to have import tariffs on almost anything. We needlessly overpay for basic necessities, too, due to protectionist government policies. That's the landscape.
As long as we can agree that it’s stupid, it’s questionable for you to wave that response away as being based in emotion.

"Egg Tax". How clever.
Shrug he’s slapping a huge tax on imported eggs. And a bunch of other stuff. This is after literally campaigning on, among other things, the price of eggs. He’s gonna have to be prepared to respond to messaging as simple and as rooted in truth as that. Americans will want to know why the country, short of eggs, is arbitrarily slamming a further tax on their groceries.
 
Americans will want to know why the country, short of eggs, is arbitrarily slamming a further tax on their groceries.
Yes. I'm confident that tariffs will impose a sharp enough increase in prices that we don't need to worsen the damage with counter-tariffs, embargoes, or gratuitous expressions of anti-Americanism.
 
Well, here we go...


from CNN:

Dow tumbles 750 points as Trump confirms tariffs on Mexico and Canada will start Tuesday

US stocks slid Monday as investors braced for President Donald Trump’s proposed tariffs on Canada, Mexico and China to go into effect by the midnight deadline.

The Dow tumbled 750 points, or 1.72%, in afternoon trading. The broader S&P 500 fell 2% and the Nasdaq Composite fell 2.9%.

“Tomorrow, tariffs — 25% on Canada and 25% on Mexico,” Trump said during a press conference at the White House. “And that’ll start. … What they have to do is build their car plants, frankly, and other things in the United States, in which case they have no tariffs.”
The VIX, Wall Street’s fear gauge, surged to its highest point this year after Trump’s comments.

US stocks are “likely to be volatile” until Trump’s policies points toward being more growth-focused, said Jason Draho, head of asset allocation for the Americas at UBS Global Wealth Management, in a note Monday.

Draho said he does expect future growth and maintains a “positive medium-term outlook.”

The stock market began to slide Monday morning to begin the new month, as investors digested the latest manufacturing survey from the Institute for Supply Management. The survey showed economic activity in the manufacturing industry remained in expansion territory, yet slowed last month. Tariff fears dominated write-in responses to the survey.

“Customers are pausing on new orders as a result of uncertainty regarding tariffs. There is no clear direction from the administration on how they will be implemented, so it’s harder to project how they will affect business,” said one survey respondent.
Markets slid further Monday afternoon after Trump posted on Truth Social that he plans to implement tariffs on “external product,” potentially including agricultural products. It was not immediately clear how these tariffs would be implemented.

“To the Great Farmers of the United States: Get ready to start making a lot of agricultural product to be sold INSIDE of the United States. Tariffs will go on external product on April 2nd. Have fun!” Trump said in the post.

The sentiment driving markets on Monday was “fear,” according to CNN’s Fear and Greed Index.

The stocks dragging markets lower on Monday included Nvidia (NVDA), which was down 7% in afternoon trading.

The yield on the 10-year Treasury slid to 4.18%, signaling concerns about uncertainty and future economic growth.

Meanwhile, shares in defense companies in Europe soared to record highs on Monday as European leaders consider the need to re-arm amid less US support for Ukraine.

WTI crude, the US benchmark, fell 2.4% after OPEC announced it would begin producing more oil in April.
 
He hasn’t. Heard him on the radio. Says he knows it isn’t that much for Musk but it’s a principled stand he’s taking.
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?

If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
 
There has been no shortage of self inflicted wounds. Why cease the self immolation now?
 
If we cancel the contract are we going g to end up paying millions of dollars in cancelation fees?
No clue. Ford said he didn’t care
If so, AND starlink keeps 100% of their product, that seems like a win for starlink and a loss for canadian tax payers. Especially ones counting on that internet access.

I'd rather see (heh) Ford shut the lights off.
He said he’s do it with a smile on his face.
 
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