CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[RangerRay]

Tory strategist Kory Teneycke at around 55:50 nails it, IMHO.

 

[suffolkowner]

If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.

$157.8 million

 

[Remius]

Tory strategist Kory Teneycke at around 55:50 nails it, IMHO.

on the head…

 

[OldSolduer]

$157.8 million

EH 101 ? Cadillac elicopter?

That was a 500 million dollar penalty was it not?

 

[suffolkowner]

INTERNATIONAL BRIEFS;Canada Settles Claim On Canceled Helicopters (Published 1996)

www.nytimes.com

Canada's Government said yesterday that it had reached a settlement agreement with E. H. Industries, a jointly owned unit of Westland Helicopters Ltd. of Britain and Agusta S.p.A. of Italy, for a claim arising from the 1993 cancellation of the EH-101 helicopter program. The settlement, worth $157.8 million (Canadian), or $115 million (United States), was reached in October but was made public only yesterday.

David Dingwall, Minister of Public Works and Government Services, said the settlement meant the Government "has closed the books on the EH-101 helicopter program." Prime Minister Jean Chretien's Government canceled the deal, reached by his Conservative predecessors, soon after taking office in late 1993. (Reuters)

EH 101 ? Cadillac elicopter?

That was a 500 million dollar penalty was it not?

 

[OldSolduer]

INTERNATIONAL BRIEFS;Canada Settles Claim On Canceled Helicopters (Published 1996)

www.nytimes.com

Canada's Government said yesterday that it had reached a settlement agreement with E. H. Industries, a jointly owned unit of Westland Helicopters Ltd. of Britain and Agusta S.p.A. of Italy, for a claim arising from the 1993 cancellation of the EH-101 helicopter program. The settlement, worth $157.8 million (Canadian), or $115 million (United States), was reached in October but was made public only yesterday.

David Dingwall, Minister of Public Works and Government Services, said the settlement meant the Government "has closed the books on the EH-101 helicopter program." Prime Minister Jean Chretien's Government canceled the deal, reached by his Conservative predecessors, soon after taking office in late 1993. (Reuters)

Thank you - I was under the impression it was significantly higher.

Still, a travesty that was politically motivated, and poorly communicated.

 

[lenaitch]

If so that's really stupid virtue signalling of him.

Didn't we do that a few years with a helicopter contract? Canceled the contract, didn't get the new helicopters, and had to pay more in fees than the original contract was worth. Unless I'm misremembering that.

Not a great analogy. Starlink isn't building anything for the province - the satellites and electrons are still there. We obviously don't know the terms but the words 'contract' and 'agreement' are being tossed around fair loosely. The undertaking was to bring Internet to remote customers. We don't know if it was some bulk purchase discount agreement for the ground equipment or what the terms are (it wasn't supposed to go live until this Spring).

Residentially, Starlink has no service contracts. Commercially I don't know but I highly doubt the province was going to be the buyer of the services. The Starlink 'deal' is (was) part of a larger data accessibility package. The province is also funding Bell to run fibre down my road. A bit different since Bell is actually installing infrastructure, but I can assure you I will be the bill paying customer.

 

[suffolkowner]

Thank you - I was under the impression it was significantly higher.

Still, a travesty that was politically motivated, and poorly communicated.

the wikipedia page

Canadian Sea King replacement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

says
"After a change of government in October 1993, the incoming Liberal Party cancelled the NSA, incurring CA$500 million of cancellation fees."
maybe thats where its from? Maybe an original number thrown out in negotiations? Maybe all in costs to the program?

 

[Remius]

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith admits to challenges with Trump

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith says Canada is struggling with U.S. President Donald Trump’s “erratic decision making” that’s proving to be a challenge in tariff negotiations.

www.ctvnews.ca

LOL. Slow learner but she’s getting there.

 

[MilEME09]

My question is why are we still giving 21 days before the rest of the tariffs kick in? we had a full month since the original deadline, did everyone think this wasn't going to come to pass and didn't plan to actually find alternatives? If i was in gov i would of told industry, start planning now for them to start, then we could of hit them back with all 155B today, not 21 days from now.

 

[Brad Sallows]

INTERNATIONAL BRIEFS;Canada Settles Claim On Canceled Helicopters (Published 1996)

www.nytimes.com

Canada's Government said yesterday that it had reached a settlement agreement with E. H. Industries, a jointly owned unit of Westland Helicopters Ltd. of Britain and Agusta S.p.A. of Italy, for a claim arising from the 1993 cancellation of the EH-101 helicopter program. The settlement, worth $157.8 million (Canadian), or $115 million (United States), was reached in October but was made public only yesterday.

David Dingwall, Minister of Public Works and Government Services, said the settlement meant the Government "has closed the books on the EH-101 helicopter program." Prime Minister Jean Chretien's Government canceled the deal, reached by his Conservative predecessors, soon after taking office in late 1993. (Reuters)

Almost all sources I've ever found refer to a $500 million penalty. That source doesn't clarify whether the amount was the entire payment or a final payment of a larger amount. It's possible a lesser penalty was negotiated, but that doesn't change the fact that Chretien triggered the penalty knowing that it was $500 million.

 

[brihard]

My question is why are we still giving 21 days before the rest of the tariffs kick in? we had a full month since the original deadline, did everyone think this wasn't going to come to pass and didn't plan to actually find alternatives? If i was in gov i would of told industry, start planning now for them to start, then we could of hit them back with all 155B today, not 21 days from now.

While the economic crisis is a ‘right now’ problem, this is still going to be a long thing to tackle. The first chunk of tariffs have been enacted. Canada has shown we mean it and we’re doing it. That gives all those other industries a few weeks to sweat and lobby and to pressure congressional representatives.

We’re trying to leverage a desired policy response; it’s not punishment for punishment’s sake.

 

[MilEME09]

The PM calling the president just Donald, is a nice touch when america wants to be petty

 

[HavokFour]

Ontario to Slap Export Tax on Electricity to U.S.

Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader. Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the e

www.wsj.com

Nice to see Ford following through. The LCBO website is also currently down.

 

[PrairieFella]

Ontario to Slap Export Tax on Electricity to U.S.

Canada’s province of Ontario will slap a 25% export tax on electricity it sends to 1.5 million homes in Minnesota, Michigan and New York, in retaliation for President Trump’s tariffs, said Doug Ford, Ontario’s leader. Ford added that he will direct the province’s energy producers to shut down the e

www.wsj.com

Nice to see Ford following through. The LCBO website is also currently down.

I'd like to see MLCC follow suit. Bourbon is swill anyways.