Canada's tanks

[Kirkhill]

The challenge for the engineer is to add ALL the "bells and whistles" that YOU actually NEED - and figuring out just what they are can be as bloody daunting task - without making the thing fragile. There is a field called RAMD - Reliability, Availability, Maintainability, Durability - engineering analysis which tries to get us to the least undesirable solution at an affordable price.

Oh, did I mention that it's orders of bloody magnitude simpler for hardware than it is for software?

Related?

Russia abandons Armata tank due to its high cost

The head of the Russian defense conglomerate Rostec, Sergey Chemezov, confirmed that the state-of-the-art Russian tank, the T-14 "Armata," is not being deployed in the war in Ukraine, which the Kremlin has labeled a "special military operation." Chemezov attributed this decision to the tank's...

defence-blog.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Funny I watched a video where the crew of a Leopard raved about it, having come from old Soviet equipment to newer Western stuff, they said it was simpler to maintain. That being said if you got a Leopard 2A4 with no upgrades and not well stored (hello Spain) you may not be as happy as the guy who gets an upgraded Leopard 2 that being recently refurbished.

YMMV?

 

[KevinB]

The Armada was a joke to begin with. A prime example of the rot and corruption in the Russian Defense system. It’s got more akin to the HoverTank in Sgt Bilko than anything else. Most of the Russian big projects (T-14, SU-57, Hypersonic missiles) have been big on buzzwords and low on performance.

 

[YZT580]

The Armada was a joke to begin with. A prime example of the rot and corruption in the Russian Defense system. It’s got more akin to the HoverTank in Sgt Bilko than anything else. Most of the Russian big projects (T-14, SU-57, Hypersonic missiles) have been big on buzzwords and low on performance.

Sgt Bilko, you are really dating yourself with that one

 

[KevinB]

Sgt Bilko, you are really dating yourself with that one

Movie circa 1996 not the 1955 era TV show.

 

[GR66]

Movie circa 1996 not the 1955 era TV show.

 

[OldSolduer]

The Armada was a joke to begin with. A prime example of the rot and corruption in the Russian Defense system. It’s got more akin to the HoverTank in Sgt Bilko than anything else. Most of the Russian big projects (T-14, SU-57, Hypersonic missiles) have been big on buzzwords and low on performance.

When you steal everything and reverse engineer it.......its hard to be original

 

[ueo]

Movie circa 1996 not the 1955 era TV show.

Saw both!

 

[JLB50]

Movie circa 1996 not the 1955 era TV show.

Dating oneself? Gulp, I used to watch the TV show.

 

[GK .Dundas]

The Armada was a joke to begin with. A prime example of the rot and corruption in the Russian Defense system. It’s got more akin to the HoverTank in Sgt Bilko than anything else. Most of the Russian big projects (T-14, SU-57, Hypersonic missiles) have been big on buzzwords and low on performance.

Talk about embarrassing, there you are happily looting the Russian Treasury everythings going tickity boo and some asshole goes and starts a war.
And now your super tank which is basically designed to do......um err.. everything ..umm nothing but it looks so damn good doing whatever it supposed to do . And it's powered by taxpayer's rubles.
And that pretty much sums up the T - 14.
Don't be surprised if Bombardier wants to produce it under license.

 

[OldSolduer]

What would you rather have?

State of the art tanks but fewer in number.

Older robust tanks that are a bit archaic but you have shit tons of them. Remember what Uncle Joe said about quantity,

 

[YZT580]

Dating oneself? Gulp, I used to watch the TV show.

guilty as well but then, you would have had to have been there to even recognize that it was a TV show.

 

[Kirkhill]

Dating oneself? Gulp, I used to watch the TV show.

I watched him in Black and White in Britain. I thought it was a documentary.

 

[ueo]

Talk about embarrassing, there you are happily looting the Russian Treasury everythings going tickity boo and some asshole goes and starts a war.
And now your super tank which is basically designed to do......um err.. everything ..umm nothing but it looks so damn good doing whatever it supposed to do . And it's powered by taxpayer's rubles.
And that pretty much sums up the T - 14.
Don't be surprised if Bombardier wants to produce it under license.

Only with Cdn content. in Canada!

 

[KevinB]

What would you rather have?

State of the art tanks but fewer in number.

Older robust tanks that are a bit archaic but you have shit tons of them. Remember what Uncle Joe said about quantity,

Stalin didn’t have modern FCS.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Older robust tanks that are a bit archaic but you have shit tons of them. Remember what Uncle Joe said about quantity,

Comes with a catastrophic cost in manpower, which we can't afford.

 

[OldSolduer]

Comes with a catastrophic cost in manpower, which we can't afford.

I wasn't thinking about us. Russians will do this.

 

[GR66]

According to this DefenseNews article, the US Army is hoping to speed up design and production of the proposed new, lighter M1E3 Abrams so that it lines up with deployment of the M30 Infantry Combat Vehicle.

If GDLS wins the M30 competition it would be a great opportunity for Canada up procure both new tanks and a tracked IFV with domestic production/repair facilities.

 

[suffolkowner]

According to this DefenseNews article, the US Army is hoping to speed up design and production of the proposed new, lighter M1E3 Abrams so that it lines up with deployment of the M30 Infantry Combat Vehicle.

If GDLS wins the M30 competition it would be a great opportunity for Canada up procure both new tanks and a tracked IFV with domestic production/repair facilities.

I guess we'll hobble along for another 15 yrs?
Where do the weight reductions come from?

 

[GR66]

I guess we'll hobble along for another 15 yrs?
Where do the weight reductions come from?

From the linked article:

The Army plans to bring the weight of Abrams under 60 tons. The current variant is roughly 73 tons, according to Norman.

“That might be a little aggressive, but we’re pretty ambitious,” he said of the goal. “In order to do that, we anticipate having to change the crew configuration, potentially looking at opportunities to go to a remote turret or an optionally manned turret in order to save the space under armor.”

And as for the timelines on the XM-30 (and for the M1E3 as well if they are able to align production) this is from the Congressional Research Service backgrounder on the XM-30

The Army anticipates transitioning from an MTARP to a Major Capability Acquisition Pathway atMilestone B in the 2nd quarter of Fiscal Year (FY)2025 and plans to enter Low-Rate Initial Production(LRIP) in the 1st quarter FY 2028 with a Full RateProduction (FRP) decision slated for FY 2030